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Dan Starkey 2 said:
The problem is he appears to have broken the UK down to those who voted Brexit and those who voted remain - and one group are right on everything and the others wrong on everything.
He also appears to assume that the rest of us think like that when most don't. I have a lot of respect for some people who voted out. It doesn't define them as individuals and to think otherwise is folly. Hey ho.
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You have it wrong again. The difference is I respect the parliament backed referendum and democracy. leave won the decisive argument so I expect the government of the day to follow through on it's manifesto promise of a proper Brexit. I fully understand those that oppose Brexit but they should also respect the decision.
 
yorkshirehornet said:
Funnily somebody on this message board and who is good friend of mine teaches clowning...... I am sure he wont be reading this thread....

I would rather be a clown and bring humour to millions than a buffoon with an agenda for personal political power...a no brainier in more ways than one <laugh>
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I am really full of curiosity to know who the teacher of clowns is Yorkie.....I will be speculating on this for some time to come. <confused>
 
superhorns said:
You have it wrong again. The difference is I respect the parliament backed referendum and democracy. leave won the decisive argument so I expect the government of the day to follow through on it's manifesto promise of a proper Brexit. I fully understand those that oppose Brexit but they should also respect the decision.
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I respect the decision... but i believe it is proven wrong and must be revisited... .rather than subject to the extreme views of a powerful few...
 
superhorns said:
You have it wrong again. The difference is I respect the parliament backed referendum and democracy. leave won the decisive argument so I expect the government of the day to follow through on it's manifesto promise of a proper Brexit. I fully understand those that oppose Brexit but they should also respect the decision.
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Easy to respect it when it's what you want. Not so easy when it isn't.
And please spare us this idea that you fully understand those who didn't support it. Your mantra has been very consistent "we won you lost so shut up and get on with it". You also have had nothing good to say about those who back remain yet blindly support the likes of Field and Hoey because they supported Brexit.

I don't support a second referendum and hope we get a deal that I'm relatively happy with but I will exercise my freedom of speech to say I don't like it.
 
superhorns said:
weasel words often used by remoaners. They have no respect for UK democracy whatsoever.
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Well you see SH. Democracy is not a thing which is frozen in time to the results of one days voting based on only rudementary knowledge of the thing being debated. Democracy is a moving thing which allows people to change their minds if they realise they have made a mistake. There is a very good chance that when Britain actually leaves (if they do) that the majority will be against it at the time of leaving - would that be democratic ? I do not believe that Ukip, or the hard Brexiteers of the Tory Party would have given up the fight entirely had they lost by 52%-48%, particularly when that 52% was only about 35% of the electorate - in fact Nigel Farage had said as much before the referendum.
 
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colognehornet said:
Actually there are no clowns in parliament - none of them could do this job. <laugh> Being a clown is a very hard job. Clowns have a lot of makeup and complicated costumes - it can take up to 2 hours to get ready for an event. In most cases clowns must provide their own costumes (wig, nose, shoes ect.) - money for obtaining these mostly comes directly from the clown's pocket. Clowns are also responsible for creating their own 'character' - this requires a far higher level of creativity and imagination than that possessed by the average MP, together with a high tolerance of working hours.

Clowns are normally the 'face' of a circus - having seen some institutions eg. the House of Commons described as a 'circus' I can assure you, it isn't, because there is nothing more organized and professional than a circus. If something should go wrong eg. an accident, it is normally the job of the clown to distract the audience and get things back on track - something which the PM could never do.
This is not to mention the vital work done by clowns with dying and sick children - imagine how difficult it must be to spend hours with a dying child, trying to get them to crack a smile and trying not to cry yourself. So no, there are no clowns in parliament - we may call some of them that, but the real clowns would be very insulted by this.
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What we need comrades is a soviet inspired single party system, none of this arguing business, just take a perfume bottle into parliament to convince any possible doubters of their erroneous thoughts.
 
colognehornet said:
Well you see SH. Democracy is not a thing which is frozen in time to the results of one days voting based on only rudementary knowledge of the thing being debated. Democracy is a moving thing which allows people to change their minds if they realise they have made a mistake. There is a very good chance that when Britain actually leaves (if they do) that the majority will be against it at the time of leaving - would that be democratic ? I do not believe that Ukip, or the hard Brexiteers of the Tory Party would have given up the fight entirely had they lost by 52%-48%, particularly when that 52% was only about 35% of the electorate - in fact Nigel Farage had said as much before the referendum.
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In the case of the referendum the decision is frozen as the result. Any interference with the leave result would be anti democratic. The so called hard Brexiteers are just expecting the stance outlined by the PM in her earlier statements. It is not their fault she has been badly advised by senior civil servants into producing the Chequers proposal disliked by everyone except OFH.
 
superhorns said:
What we need comrades is a soviet inspired single party system, none of this arguing business, just take a perfume bottle into parliament to convince any possible doubters of their erroneous thoughts.
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I don't think in the entire history of forum debating there has ever been less correlation between text and answer as there is here.
 
superhorns said:
In the case of the referendum the decision is frozen as the result. Any interference with the leave result would be anti democratic. The so called hard Brexiteers are just expecting the stance outlined by the PM in her earlier statements. It is not their fault she has been badly advised by senior civil servants into producing the Chequers proposal disliked by everyone except OFH.
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Can you stop this ridiculous inflammatory posting???

Or is it beyond you??
 
superhorns said:
In the case of the referendum the decision is frozen as the result. Any interference with the leave result would be anti democratic. The so called hard Brexiteers are just expecting the stance outlined by the PM in her earlier statements. It is not their fault she has been badly advised by senior civil servants into producing the Chequers proposal disliked by everyone except OFH.
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It would not be in any way undemocratic SH. because the referendum had no legal standing, as such, and was not binding. In this context it was no more legally binding than an opinion poll would have been. The UK. version of democracy rests sovereignty in parliament, and if they decide to have a re run then it would be perfectly democratic for them to do so. In Parliament you do not have a majority for a hard Brexit, any more than you do with the population as a whole.
 
yorkshirehornet said:
Can you stop this ridiculous inflammatory posting???

Or is it beyond you??
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When a child does a funny little dance or tells a silly joke the normal reaction is to smile and tell them they're special. Maybe we should employ the same tactic.
 
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superhorns said:
In the case of the referendum the decision is frozen as the result. Any interference with the leave result would be anti democratic. The so called hard Brexiteers are just expecting the stance outlined by the PM in her earlier statements. It is not their fault she has been badly advised by senior civil servants into producing the Chequers proposal disliked by everyone except OFH.
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OK Tell us your plan???

Chequers proposal looks like an earnest attempt to come up with a workable way forward
 
yorkshirehornet said:
OK Tell us your plan???

Chequers proposal looks like an earnest attempt to come up with a workable way forward
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It's the only game in town. Gets us through the implementation period meaning we'll be in better shape to leave in December 2020 and hopefully will have negotiated a decent trade deal. The chaos of a no deal crash out in March 2019 will have huge impacts for UK and EU and if it happens they'll find it hard to return to the table as relations will have hit rock bottom. It's incredible that anyone wants this.
Still, blue passports <ok>
 
Dan Starkey 2 said:
It's the only game in town. Gets us through the implementation period meaning we'll be in better shape to leave in December 2020 and hopefully will have negotiated a decent trade deal. The chaos of a no deal crash out in March 2019 will have huge impacts for UK and EU and if it happens they'll find it hard to return to the table as relations will have hit rock bottom. It's incredible that anyone wants this.
Still, blue passports <ok>
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Have not noticed, the EU has rejected it, Labour and many Tories will vote against it. The hapless Robbins has come up with a duff I'm afraid.
 
colognehornet said:
It would not be in any way undemocratic SH. because the referendum had no legal standing, as such, and was not binding. In this context it was no more legally binding than an opinion poll would have been. The UK. version of democracy rests sovereignty in parliament, and if they decide to have a re run then it would be perfectly democratic for them to do so. In Parliament you do not have a majority for a hard Brexit, any more than you do with the population as a whole.
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Disagree. Parliament voted for a referendum and supported Brexit through the process. The previous PM said the result would be government policy which has been adopted by the UK government. Any attempt to undermine the decision would be widely considered as anti democratic. It would undermine faith in our political system.
 
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