U S Election
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People can say what they like, it's all about opinions at the moment, if real evidence is shown then decisions based on fact can be made, I still prefer and trust the voting systems used in the USA than that offered to the public in China, North Korea, Russia or any of their acolytes.
I believe Trump is a spiv, I am a middle of the road Conservative and I can't stomach the man, the more I see of Biden the better I like him, he is the majotity of the American people's choice, that should be it.
I believe Trump is a spiv, I am a middle of the road Conservative and I can't stomach the man, the more I see of Biden the better I like him, he is the majotity of the American people's choice, that should be it.
I agree with all of the 2nd paragraph but have a rider on the underlined portion, which takes me to your very first sentence and I say we will see what we will see.
Remember Biden has a left wing BAME vice president and historically Biden was the sponsor of a bill that saw thousands more people of BAME background jailed.
He says he wants to heal the country, well let's see how that pans out, if defunding the police for instance is their way of 'healing' the country, he needs to take a look at New York.
I still see the USA as a deeply divided country.
I could highlight if bothered many of Trumps attitudes on racism, masogyny,religon and America first or Bidons attitudes on the Irish connections or BLM but it all boils down to personal choice of the two individuals being offered and concerned.
The election has been held, democracy should reign supreme and for the sake of this debate I have named my preference.
The other points and issues you have raised will no doubt pan out and are matters to be resolved by the American people who as you say are deeply devided.
The election has been held, democracy should reign supreme and for the sake of this debate I have named my preference.
The other points and issues you have raised will no doubt pan out and are matters to be resolved by the American people who as you say are deeply devided.
Really? Not with all the scaremongering I've read of yours regarding the virus!!
You're asking for instant evidence of rigging, when the US election is not even finished yet...and won't be until all votes are counted, investigations undertaken and any legal challenges through the courts are sorted.. Despite what you hear from Biden camp, left sided media such as BBC, LBC & Sky..
Having said that, I do believe Biden will become President but I'm 100% the investigations will continue..
I would just like to bring to your attention something you posted a couple of weeks ago about people being criticised for not wearing a poppy (something I would never do by the way) do you feel the same about the BLM anger caused in some quarters by Marseille players not taking the knee against Man City last month?
I personally think enough is enough, we get it, it will be interesting to see if it continues once crowds are allowed back in.
Yeah I do. No one should be forced to make any political statement, be it wearing a poppy or taking the knee. If you're making someone do something like that, in particular with the poppy given what it's there for, then it's the height of irony really.
There are perfectly legitimate reasons why someone might not want to take a knee, or why they might not want to wear a poppy. If their reasons are bad then by all means criticise those reasons.
Wow I agree with you about something. We shouldn't be forced or criticised to make any political statement...We are supposed to be in a free Country to make our own decisions for whom or what we believe in.....What I hate, is your're judged by the pathetic do- gooders if you don't conform...
Rob said: If their reasons are badthen by all means criticise those reasons.
But who is going to judge whether their reasons are bad?
If anyone decides not to wear a poppy or take the knee, that is their decision, however it was reached. We have increasingly reached a point where other people seem to be deciding how we behave or how we should feel about something. I will continue to develop my own thoughts and behave accordingly.
But who is going to judge whether their reasons are bad?
If anyone decides not to wear a poppy or take the knee, that is their decision, however it was reached. We have increasingly reached a point where other people seem to be deciding how we behave or how we should feel about something. I will continue to develop my own thoughts and behave accordingly.
Me and poor old Woy Hodgson for instance, can't get all the way down and if we did would never get up again.
Well of course, I'm not saying we should all gang up on those who think differently
. I just mean if someone is refusing to wear a poppy and it's because they genuinely are disrespecting our dead then of course that's open for people say hang on a minute, you're a bit of a ****.I'm largely Irish, I understand why some people don't want to wear the poppy, even though some on this very forum have criticised the stance McClean takes. That was essentially what I was getting at. Similarly, there are all sorts of good reasons why you might not want to kneel for BLM. That's okay, and it should be.
Long story short, I don't really care if someone does it or not usually. But if they are being a bit of a **** about it, or being disrespectful, or nasty, then they leave themselves open to criticism. That's essentially it.
I see another one of yesterday's men crawled out of the woodwork today.
Probably the first time in at least a decade that he hasn't needed viagra to get a 'stiffy', brace yourself Sarah.
Gordon Brown warns that Joe Biden hates Brexit, will take Ireland's side during talks because of his family links and says it's 'unrealistic' to hope for a swift US trade deal.
Probably the first time in at least a decade that he hasn't needed viagra to get a 'stiffy', brace yourself Sarah.
Gordon Brown warns that Joe Biden hates Brexit, will take Ireland's side during talks because of his family links and says it's 'unrealistic' to hope for a swift US trade deal.
Well of course, I'm not saying we should all gang up on those who think differently
I'm largely Irish, I understand why some people don't want to wear the poppy, even though some on this very forum have criticised the stance McClean takes. That was essentially what I was getting at. Similarly, there are all sorts of good reasons why you might not want to kneel for BLM. That's okay, and it should be.
Long story short, I don't really care if someone does it or not usually. But if they are being a bit of a **** about it, or being disrespectful, or nasty, then they leave themselves open to criticism. That's essentially it.
My main objection to the Mclean stance is firstly his refusal is not for any peaceful reasoning, so I would say that the world especially Northern Ireland has eventually moved on and of course if he considers that IRA dead are in fact 'freedom fighters' he could wear a poppy for them.
Also I used the word 'eventually' deliberately because the biggest loss of human life came well after the good Friday agreement was signed, in Omagh where 29 people were killed and over 300 injured, where it for them the victims.
Biden is a far more 'stable' character than Trump and he will certainly do a better job on things like climate control etc. He will be a far better 'world citizen' than Trump, so for that I suppose its a good thing.
However, looking at it purely from a UK point of view; Biden doesn't give a t055 about us in the UK. He's a self confessed Irish nationalist and Eurocrat. Trump - @r5eh0le that he is - LOVES the UK and wanted to prioritise trade with us (yes, I know about the chlorinated chicken). Biden on the other hand will go to Europe first and foremost. The only time Biden has for the UK is to threaten us if the Good Friday Agreement goes Pete-tong because of Brexit (I REALLY hope that doesn't happen by the way).
President Biden is good for the rest of the world, but BAD for the UK.
Not sure it's good for us and will split the US and will probably cause unrest there...taking in to account that Trump has probably received 70 million of the votes.....More than Obama when he won the election!!
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They have no respect and if you look at your crime statistics they also have other bad traits. Who let them in? Disrespectful I know but my blood boils when I see certain ethnic people involved in crime and wonder why under some cases they aren't deported.
It must be me then.
I am the only person on here who thinks that this 77 year confused old man is suffering with the early signs of dementia?