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Discussion in 'Plymouth' started by Plymborn, Mar 7, 2016.

  1. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Maybe Adams has been swayed by Mellor yet again getting it wrong at a very crucial moment.

    Or maybe he has decided by Accrington's dominance that our midfield isn't getting a grip on games.....although we knew that anyway.....maybe Boateng might be returning......Pardew said he would go out on loan again.....although their cup run might still tie him down.

    But.....you have already said ....how can you reason anything in this league......Portsmouth completely dominated Accrington in mid-week.....yet we couldn't do it at all.....Portsmouth then on a high get stuffed 3-0 by Newport....who are busy looking over their shoulder to avoid relegation.....I defy anyone to have predicted 3-0 away result for Newport at Pompey.....no logic in it at all......I'll go back to sitting in the corner sucking my thumb.
     
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    notDistantGreen Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit of panic. I know I'm panicking. We played well against Mansfield although even then should have scored more given how dominant we were.

    I don't know what the problem is: players' form, tactics but it's going to slip from our grasp at this rate.
     
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  3. Greenarmyjoe

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    No Need to Panic, we will be ok.. The team are just giving us something to think about.. I am sure it will come together again and start scoring.. Its the same players who wer doing it early on accept Boateng and he wont make it happen alone if he does return..

    They have to get promoted.. or there could be a backlash from fans? Hope fully we go up auto and not have to endure the play off saga! yes good if you win at wembley and a few more pounds.. Rather go up then endure that..:emoticon-0133-wait:
     
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    A new Goalie it seems..can't pronounce his name..must be French.
     
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  5. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Reference the backlash thing I see that the earlybird offer is on. Finishes 18 April. Very kind of Argyle that is. I don't think a lot of people will take that one up personally unless there is a vast improvement on the field. I think that they think Brent is not funding anything he can avoid and they are being treated as mugs. Now that may or may not be correct but sorry folks it bleddy feels like it. I keep saying that there is only so much good will out there before people have had enough and we go back to crowds of 5k or less. I will still go but I don't have to agree with what's going on or like it.

    If it is a keeper then that's a waste of money and bonkers.
     
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  6. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    That's right BC.......Vincent Dorel a 23 yrs old French goalkeeper (that sounds familiar) has signed as a free agent.....I assume until the end of the season.
     
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  7. Greenarmyjoe

    Greenarmyjoe Well-Known Member

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    Yep a new keeper? He wont score goals! Joke.. I agree Sensible i think the club will feel it if we do not go up! Brent will no doubt come in for some stick over this, but i cant see how its his fault.. i blame the players.. manager? Unless brent can play upfront he may be forgiven :emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl:
     
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  8. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Short arms deep pockets is a well known westcountry saying Joe.

    New keeper after a short trial period. It isn't a loanee though and Adams was hinting at one of those so guess this one doesn't count. Is he still hanging on the hope of Boetang? I can't see that happening somehow. We aren't that lucky.
     
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  9. Greenarmyjoe

    Greenarmyjoe Well-Known Member

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    Yep i have long arms and short pockets!!
    Well hope fully we get can someone in soon or before the weekend.. We need someone or something to give us a lift for the final stretch.. i have every faith in what we got.. as they got us in this position.. so hopefully they can get us over the finishing line <whistle>
     
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  10. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    There is no disputing they have the ability Joe because you don't play that well for half a season without any. My question is do they have the bottle to go with it. At the moment there doesn't seem to be any belief and they all need to man up. If they don't believe then they can't expect the supporters to believe in them. This for me is where Adams earns his corn and it is decided if he is average or very good. Man management is everything.
     
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  11. lyndhurstgreen

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    Well sensible , I will be be taking advantage of the 'early bird' offer as will No2 son even though he is off to UNi in the autumn. Why wouldnt you? The vast majority of this season's season ticket holders will be there next year regardless of what league will are in. Not sure how JB can be held responsible forn the slump in form. Seems to me like he has funded everything the manager has asked for (that is available). The early bird prices almost always end before the season so not quite sure what your beef is? i happen to think the addition of a young keeper is a good thing- as much as I like Luke there is no doubt that for whatever reason he has been a bit 'iffy' for a good few weeks now. perhaps a bit of genuine competition might make him up his game a bit.
     
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  12. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I will but I'm not so sure the vast majority of season ticket holder will as you are. It doesn't matter if blaming the owner is illogical or not lyndhurst. The supporters have backed this club through thin and thinner. However, that is beginning to lessen if you read the posts on the various sites. They do think Brent is to blame to a certain extent. There is no evidence to support that he has backed the manager in everything anymore than there is that he hasn't. Finances at Argyle are more secret than the most secret secret that ever was. People aren't so willing to salute the officers anymore. He has used up most of any goodwill that was going and has disappointed as much since becoming the saviour who could do nothing wrong. Another season in this league to look forward too??? Disappointment out of the jaws of euphoria is a hard one to take after our recent history.
     
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  13. lyndhurstgreen

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    Yes failure would be hard to take but am not convinced that finances are to blame. Gullible as we may be, i suspect most of us will be back next year if only to have something to maon about.
     
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    They clearly aren't to blame. Sensible correctly says that this squad played well early on. Other than the absence of Boateng, nothing's changed, bids were refused for key players during the January window.

    It could be that some players in a small squad are tired but other than bringing in a few replacements, which has happened, what have the finances got to do with it?
     
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  15. sensiblegreeny

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    I will just highlight the phrase I used before "as illogical as it may be". The point is people will blame as is always the way. Brent has fallen over financially in other things than the football side. Lets just ask where the new Stand is as the example for Argyle and Skating Rink for A N Other. They see very good gates yet always hear talk of we have no money to splash. Other clubs much smaller in turnover than Argyle seem to manage. Look at Accrington's gates. There is obviously more to it than that simplistic view but you try telling the masses that when their season has fallen apart again. There are those who will go despite what they may say now but it only takes a few thousand of the floating voters to not bother anymore. Given what it costs now even in this poor league you can see where plenty might find something else to do.
     
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  16. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The problem with a small squad, that has quality is the obvious......injuries hit hard and rotation of players cannot happen.

    We where sailing along so well in the autumn and then it happened........McCormick, Carey, Hartley, Boateng, Reid were all sidelined......the spine of the team disrupted......and from a position of being 5pts clear we started to struggle......it was unfortunate that some of those injuries just went on and on.....and even when they started to return their form had been disrupted......more recently the termination of Brunt's season with a serious knee injury, which will be on going for the rest of 2016 is a real kick in the teeth.....seeing that he had become the only striker who could find the net.

    A larger squad might have helped....but would we have been able to afford bringing in good players like Adams managed to do....I doubt it....a larger squad would have meant too many mediocre players....which would have meant middle of the league oblivion.

    We have been done by the "fickled finger of fate" .....not Brent......not Adams.....not really the players......although it has now disrupted them and they are now struggling to regain any semblance of the winning form that had them top of the league......Derek Adams has a good squad and he has boosted it recently with new loanees......it is now up to him to really earn his crust.....and prove to us that he can do it when things go wrong as well as when times are good.
     
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    Brent would have fallen over if he'd spent money on a project and it had proved unviable afterwards. I see PCC are seeking hotel developers for the Quality Inn site now.

    Football club finances generally are a mess or perhaps a scandal is a better term. Who knows which clubs are living on borrowed time gained by unsustainable owner subsidies or by just running up unmanageable deficits?

    We of all fans should know where that leads and be grateful that PAFC is now being soundly run.

    I appreciate that you aren't responsible for other people's opinions Sensible but anyone who thinks Brent is to blame for a team that looked all conquering in the autumn becoming average at best in the spring isn't safe to be in possession of an opinion.
     
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  18. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Yes and my guess is they won't be looking at Brent to develope a 5 star hotel. I love your definition of Brent not failing. Don't start something, irrespective of what was agreed initially between parties and you therefore cannot fail if it doesn't happen. Brent has failed to complete on anything in Plymouth or indeed the South Hams either. If you sign up for something and don't do it then in my book and any normal person's book you have failed. Where is our essential new stand? You know the one. It was essential to Argyle's progress and development and the highest of priorities. The one with plans on the table. Would you go into business with him knowing how he fails to come up with the goods every time?

    I agree that we don't know how viable clubs are but we do know what revenue comes through their gates. Ours is at worst 3rd in this league. Other clubs seem to sign players who are of a reasonable standard despite their relatively small income. Who else do you blame if not the person with the purse in their hands then? If you buy a duff vacuum cleaner in Curry's then you blame Curry's. That's the nature of the beast. If Banks fail then you blame Bankers or in this Countries case you reward them with a bonus. I'm sorry but I don't go along with this Brent is always the good guy just because he's rich and put his name to the Club. Nor do many others so if Argyle don't go up this term then he will stand for the blame from a lot of people and they may well talk with their feet next season.

    As for the teams ability well I've already said they have enough to see us over the line. The bad run was probably due to the number of injuries to key people all at the same time. The slump was made worse by the lack of cover. Down to the Manager if you believe he was backed with all he asked for in the first place of course. I suspect many won't believe he was. You will never stamp out that kind of rumour whether true or not.
     
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  19. Greenarmyjoe

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    This will be all water under the bridge once we get promoted... :emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  20. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I agree Joe.
     
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