Daily Racing Thread Tuesday 15th. August 2017

[QuarterMoonII]

So Brametot had a good view of the whole race as they went along in single file with Moore letting Eminent bowl along – and he never saw another horse. So not a good day at the office for the last two Prix Du Jockey Club winners. Demuro was not hard on Brametot but he only beat three home – hope Enable does not fluff her lines at York next week.

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So Brametot had a good view of the whole race as they went along in single file with Moore letting Eminent bowl along – and he never saw another horse. So not a good day at the office for the last two Prix Du Jockey Club winners. Demuro was not hard on Brametot but he only beat three home – hope Enable does not fluff her lines at York next week.

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Jesus, looks worse than in commentary.
What on Earth do you say to your owner/trainer when you have given a ride like that?

 

[Davidquinn]

They might have turned a corner with Eminent after that performance. He's always been keen which has blighted his finish in the top class 10/12f races, he settled really nicely out in front today and they made full use of his stamina (has always seemed to be staying on, even over 12f). Time was 2:02 which is pretty sharp, even if Brametot was ridden closer to the pace I think that cruising speed may well have knocked the finish out of him. I agree though, awful ride on the favourite, no explanation for having him that far back, surely you're aware of the opposition and that Eminent isn't going to be stopping

 

[Doalittle]

They might have turned a corner with Eminent after that performance. He's always been keen which has blighted his finish in the top class 10/12f races, he settled really nicely out in front today and they made full use of his stamina (has always seemed to be staying on, even over 12f). Time was 2:02 which is pretty sharp, even if Brametot was ridden closer to the pace I think that cruising speed may well have knocked the finish out of him. I agree though, awful ride on the favourite, no explanation for having him that far back, surely you're aware of the opposition and that Eminent isn't going to be stopping

He got a soft lead. He won't get it in any group one that Coolmore or Godolphin want to win. I'd take a match to that form. Salouen being closer than in the derby says alot about it.

 

[Davidquinn]

He got a soft lead. He won't get it in any group one that Coolmore or Godolphin want to win. I'd take a match to that form. Salouen being closer than in the derby says alot about it.

I don't think he's a real top notcher, but just think if they get him out in front he'll settle better which will give him more of a chance. He was only a couple of lengths off the Derby winner and the Eclipse winner, races I assume Coolmore and Godolphin wanted to win. If he had settled/been ridden like today he would've gone close

 

[Ron]

Haha I already had! Don't think that disproves a great deal, puts Brametot just ahead of Eminent but over a shorter trip. At the prices I'd still rather some each way on the 6/1 shot than put down decent money on a 5/6 shot. One thing that will be key is how the race is run, which is why I'm happy to have Moore in my corner. Eminent is often keen but stays well. I'd get him out there in front and dictate, wind it up from the half mile and try and run the finish out of Brametot, who I think is probably the speedier horse

Well done David

 

[Doalittle]

I don't think he's a real top notcher, but just think if they get him out in front he'll settle better which will give him more of a chance. He was only a couple of lengths off the Derby winner and the Eclipse winner, races I assume Coolmore and Godolphin wanted to win. If he had settled/been ridden like today he would've gone close

That was a very weak group one. I think there is five or six if not more that are better than him and that's a bit of an indictment this year. I actually think he'd be suited by going up in trip in time but that probably won't happen with his connections. He'd have to settle but he'd be more likely to get a handy lead, add in how he gallops he could win some nice races.

 

[Ron]

He got a soft lead. He won't get it in any group one that Coolmore or Godolphin want to win. I'd take a match to that form. Salouen being closer than in the derby says alot about it.

A race won in that time is hardly a soft lead Doalittle. All the turf races were slow but that one was fast by 2.24s. Having listened to what the trainer had to say before and after the race I tend to agree with David (ie they may have turned a corner with Eminent). We'll have to wait and see

 

[Doalittle]

A race won in that time is hardly a soft lead Doalittle. All the turf races were slow but that one was fast by 2.24s. Having listened to what the trainer had to say before and after the race I tend to agree with David (ie they may have turned a corner with Eminent). We'll have to wait and see

He jump out and made all and never saw another rival. The second jumped second and stayed there through out. The only significant opposition he had missed the break by six or seven lenghts and never got into it. It was a weak group 1 that he was allowed to dictate. I wouldn't have much interest in what the clock having seen the race. Even if the time was impressive I would guess they were even sectionals which again wouldn't fill me with confidence if he were to be taken on up front.

 

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Interesting that Ryan is taking in Chelmsford on his way back from Francais this evening

 

[Ron]

He jump out and made all and never saw another rival. The second jumped second and stayed there through out. The only significant opposition he had missed the break by six or seven lenghts and never got into it. It was a weak group 1 that he was allowed to dictate. I wouldn't have much interest in what the clock having seen the race. Even if the time was impressive I would guess they were even sectionals which again wouldn't fill me with confidence if he were to be taken on up front.

I thought it was a G2. It doesn't really matter what level race it was. The fact is, he won it unchallenged in a very fast time (3.4 secs faster than the G3 45 mins earlier). Eminent also took 21.24 secs longer time that the G3 fillies mile (carrying 5lb more - that's more than the sex allowance isn't it). Not sure how the race distances differ (in metres) but I would have though that would indicate that Eminent would have gone pretty close to running at the same speed as the mile race. I could be wrong

 

[gillamandango]

Not saying the Brametot would have won, but he blew the start big time...Don't think the ride was as bad as you make out.

Jesus, looks worse than in commentary.
What on Earth do you say to your owner/trainer when you have given a ride like that?

 

[Doalittle]

I thought it was a G2. It doesn't really matter what level race it was. The fact is, he won it unchallenged in a very fast time (3.4 secs faster than the G3 45 mins earlier). Eminent also took 21.24 secs longer time that the G3 fillies mile (carrying 5lb more - that's more than the sex allowance isn't it). Not sure how the race distances differ (in metres) but I would have though that would indicate that Eminent would have gone pretty close to running at the same speed as the mile race. I could be wrong

Yeah sorry group 2.

When they get that sort of a lead they would normally slow the pace down and wait until half a mile out and wind it up from there. He didn't and that would suggest to me that he has either gone faster than the jockey would have liked or he is an out an outer stayer (ie up in trip stayer).

 

[Ron]

Yeah sorry group 2.

When they get that sort of a lead they would normally slow the pace down and wait until half a mile out and wind it up from there. He didn't and that would suggest to me that he has either gone faster than the jockey would have liked or he is an out an outer stayer (ie up in trip stayer).

Or it's his style of running. His dad was similar as a 3yo. Difficult to assess whether he will be as effective over 12f. Will be interesting to see what Bustino has to say on that.

The dam's sire was King Mambo, a brilliant miler and he was by that brilliant mile Nureyev out of another brilliant miler Miesque.

However, the dam was out of the stoutly bred Quarter Moon - say no more

 

[rainermariarilke]

RON: it's generally unwise to diagnose at long distance, but I'd say your television is suffering from Ron-ovirus, which is an inverted form of Norovirus. The inversion here is replicated by the fact that the symptom shows up at the bottom and works upward, rather than the other way round. The condition tends to affect English TV sets which have been expatriated from the hygienic conditions of High Wycombe to bacteria-ridden rural France.

It's possible to treat ron-ovirus with polyquaternary amines, but that's not widely known and I'd be grateful if you didn't make it public.

 

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Interesting that Ryan is taking in Chelmsford on his way back from Francais this evening

Pops in for a 7/1 winner with a hotpot to come

 

[SimonJ]

Out of my depth when discussing the racing in France today; best I avoid that, I find.
I'm much more comfortable at Thirsk; lovely place, just off the A19, James Herriot ( AKA Alfie Wight ) and all that, you know, farmers, vets and tractors and such. Had a nice weekend there with the other half before the kids were born. Fond memories.
Anyway...

Two at that venue caught my eye and my pennies are spent on each way singles ( in no way is that a disclosure of certainty on my part ).
2.30 Excellent Times
4.30 Totally Magic

Good Luck, Bonne Chance!

An improvement on recent efforts, that's nice.

 

[SimonJ]

Keeping the faith with Eminent today (3:45 Deauville) 5/1

We'll done.

 

[SimonJ]

I'm on Eminent also. Form puts him ahead of anything else in the race if I've read it right

We'll done.

 

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Interesting that Ryan is taking in Chelmsford on his way back from Francais this evening

make mine a double Ryan
cheers