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Thundermilk said:
Never does. Always reliably Republican. Now cities, like the one I'm in, with over 50% blacks might occasionally vote Democrat but for whatever reaaon, turnout for black voters is lower than white voters, so Republicans still seem to win 90% of offices.

Almost every white person in my state is Republican and almost every black is Democrat. Be that as it may though, even the white Republicans I know here hate Trump. I don't understand the polls putting him ahead. All I can think is the rednecks in the foothills of the mountains are voting for him en masse.
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yeah but surely the cities contain 70/80% of population?

no?

isn't washington state bascially whatever seattle says and Oregon what portand says?

is south carolina not like that? or are towns too small?
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
yeah but surely the cities contain 70/80% of population?

no?

isn't washington state bascially whatever seattle says and Oregon what portand says?

is south carolina not like that? or are towns too small?
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SC has three major population centres.

In the upstate Greenville/Spartanburg and several other smaller cities run together and has the largest population. It's very Republican. Very.

The Midlands is close in population to GSP. The whites are equally republicaban as the upstate whites but there are more blacks than whites (they just don't vote). The Midlands would vote Democrat if the blacks voted but they don't in large numbers so Republicans win here too.

Charleston, on the coast in the low country is democrat- leaning. Even the whites there are more progressive.


Outside of the three major metropolitan centres, the state is very rural. Other than in the "corridor of shame" alongside I-95 (so called because the schools there fail every national test, and it's very poor, almost like a 3rd world nation), most of the state is made up of small towns of rednecks who are very much gun-toating hillbilly Republicans.

Population split between metropolitan area and rural areas is 50/50 split. Even if the cities became more progressive, they still don't hold power over the small towns. They're not big enough.

This isn't like Georgia where the vast majority of the population live in just one city. (Atlanta)
 
Red Hadron Collider said:
He's no idea either <ok>

See Brexit has taken a setback today (is there a thread for this?)
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Youre Vote Counts or something lol.

Today's judgement only matters if mp's decide to ignore the will of the people and block the govt.

It's a technicality that should have been matter of fact. referendums are advisory not legally enforceable unless passed by parliament.

However: The govt won a general election under the accepted voting system with a referendum on their manifesto. they created a referendum that all parties accepted and campaigned on. Both sides argued in their campaigns that the result would be enacted.

Sure, the Remain campaigners stated this in the arrogant belief they wouldn't lose but then Cameron et al wouldn't have allowed a referendum if they had knew they would lose. tough you can't pretend to put decisions to the people on the basis they will only vote one way.

The second error in this is trusting that mp's will respect the campaigns and result and vote it through on that principle.

If MP's vote against the article they are using a technicality to subvert a clear democratic idea. more arrogance and more bad feeling in the populace that they just plain don't matter to the elites.

Should be an interesting general election.
 
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DirtyFrank said:
Youre Vote Counts or something lol.

Today's judgement only matters if mp's decide to ignore the will of the people and block the govt.

It's a technicality that should have been matter of fact. referendums are advisory not legally enforceable unless passed by parliament.

However: The govt won a general election under the accepted voting system with a referendum on their manifesto. they created a referendum that all parties accepted and campaigned on. Both sides argued in their campaigns that the result would be enacted.

Sure, the Remain campaigners stated this in the arrogant belief they wouldn't lose but then Cameron et al wouldn't have allowed a referendum if they had knew they would lose. tough you can't pretend to put decisions to the people on the basis they will only vote one way.

The second error in this is trusting that mp's will respect the campaigns and result and vote it through on that principle.

If MP's vote against the article they are using a technicality to subvert a clear democratic idea. more arrogance and more bad feeling in the populace that they just plain don't matter to the elites.

Should be an interesting general election.
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It would be if there was any sort of ****ing opposition <ok>
 
Thundermilk said:
SC has three major population centres.

In the upstate Greenville/Spartanburg and several other smaller cities run together and has the largest population. It's very Republican. Very.

The Midlands is close in population to GSP. The whites are equally republicaban as the upstate whites but there are more blacks than whites (they just don't vote). The Midlands would vote Democrat if the blacks voted but they don't in large numbers so Republicans win here too.

Charleston, on the coast in the low country is democrat- leaning. Even the whites there are more progressive.


Outside of the three major metropolitan centres, the state is very rural. Other than in the "corridor of shame" alongside I-95 (so called because the schools there fail every national test, and it's very poor, almost like a 3rd world nation), most of the state is made up of small towns of rednecks who are very much gun-toating hillbilly Republicans.

Population split between metropolitan area and rural areas is 50/50 split. Even if the cities became more progressive, they still don't hold power over the small towns. They're not big enough.

This isn't like Georgia where the vast majority of the population live in just one city. (Atlanta)
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ah ok... i've been on i95 in virginia.

sounds like the place needs a good war to thin the ranks.
 
DirtyFrank said:
Youre Vote Counts or something lol.

Today's judgement only matters if mp's decide to ignore the will of the people and block the govt.

It's a technicality that should have been matter of fact. referendums are advisory not legally enforceable unless passed by parliament.

However: The govt won a general election under the accepted voting system with a referendum on their manifesto. they created a referendum that all parties accepted and campaigned on. Both sides argued in their campaigns that the result would be enacted.

Sure, the Remain campaigners stated this in the arrogant belief they wouldn't lose but then Cameron et al wouldn't have allowed a referendum if they had knew they would lose. tough you can't pretend to put decisions to the people on the basis they will only vote one way.

The second error in this is trusting that mp's will respect the campaigns and result and vote it through on that principle.

If MP's vote against the article they are using a technicality to subvert a clear democratic idea. more arrogance and more bad feeling in the populace that they just plain don't matter to the elites.

Should be an interesting general election.
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except.

1. cameron won general election promising brexit referendum

2. brexit was won

3..... well may is a stoodge for the faceless conservatives who want this so there will be no election
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
except.

1. cameron won general election promising brexit referendum

2. brexit was won

3..... well may is a stoodge for the faceless conservatives who want this so there will be no election
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Lol I was confused there thought I'd said points 2 and 3 but you were "excepting" the chances of an early election.

If parliament blocks article 50 there will have to be a general election. it is in essence a defeat of a govt manifesto pledge and even the then PM pledge that the referendum result would be formalised.

(May was a Remainer albeit a quiet one). she's simply carrying out a pledge/promise by her previous PM who lead the Remain campaign.
 
DirtyFrank said:
Lol I was confused there thought I'd said points 2 and 3 but you were "excepting" the chances of an early election.

If parliament blocks article 50 there will have to be a general election. it is in essence a defeat of a govt manifesto pledge and even the then PM pledge that the referendum result would be formalised.

(May was a Remainer albeit a quiet one). she's simply carrying out a pledge/promise by her previous PM who lead the Remain campaign.
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why?

ON what grounds does the government have to fall? its a defeat in a vote yes but does that have to trigger an election? May could simply pull up the draw bridge and sit behind the moat for 2 years

when did failing in a pledge in a manifesto mean a government automatically called an election... especially when the pledge was to hold a referendum really
 
I see trumps slut was out giving her idea of what she would do as first lady.

the irony and bare faced nature of her aim to tackle online bullying was atonishing.

this the woman who sucks a tiny penis for a crust.. who's husband is the worst online bully ever and made fun of a disabled reporter?

When trump loses he should be ruined, his actions and lies and basically saying anything at any time to get what he wants is such disgusting behaviour that he should be ruined
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
why?

ON what grounds does the government have to fall? its a defeat in a vote yes but does that have to trigger an election? May could simply pull up the draw bridge and sit behind the moat for 2 years

when did failing in a pledge in a manifesto mean a government automatically called an election... especially when the pledge was to hold a referendum really
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Answered on Brexit thread. couldn't be arsed typing it again.
 
Melania has just been giving a speech in South Carolina in which she said her husband was 'Bald'. Think we knew that.
 
DirtyFrank said:
Lol...and final tick in the Hitler handbook. ..stage a threat to your life....

Seriously our yanky friends. don't do it. .
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yes, extremely ironic given that he tried to say Obama was 'unhinged' with the way that he 'screamed' at a Republican Vet protester at a Democrat rally (he damn well didn't, he insisted that people stop booing and treat him with respect as a veteran and elder). Moral of the story - Obama had 10 times more class than this pantomime cockhead.
 
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