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moreinjuredthanowen said:
Dribs won't be pleased.

The lib dems say Guinness may run out post brexit.

Nobody seems to care otherwise
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When Brexit actually happens I'll believe it.

What makes me laugh now is they keep blabbing about this "people's vote" <laugh>
The people already voted. How ****ing ******ed is the left, they are willing to deny all manner of science and objectively true facts, and openly too.

I think Frank is the epitome of this mental delusion, and Milk
 
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BY CARL BERNSTEIN

"In 1953, Joseph Alsop, then one of America’s leading syndicated columnists, went to the Philippines to cover an election. He did not go because he was asked to do so by his syndicate. He did not go because he was asked to do so by the newspapers that printed his column. He went at the request of the CIA.

Alsop is one of more than 400 American journalists who in the past twenty‑five years have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency, according to documents on file at CIA headquarters."

http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

Anderson Cooper was actually employed by the CIA before "getting" a "job" at CNN.
He's CNN's biggest "star" conveniently.


Richard Norton Taylor of the Guardian revealed the same thing with British media in the 1990s.

Believe nothing you are told by the media because anything of import, will be at best spin, at worst complete propaganda. BBC are the worst offenders.

Journalist David Rose also exposed the Observer fabricating news for the Iraq war propaganda, almost certainly for the British intelligence services.

A CIA operativetoldWashington Post owner Philip Graham … in a conversation about the willingness of journalists to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories:
"You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month."
https://arretsurinfo.ch/newly-decla...lists-with-many-of-the-largest-media-outlets/

Sad ****in times indeed
 
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PhheHdee said:
When Brexit actually happens I'll believe it.

What makes me laugh now is they keep blabbing about this "people's vote" <laugh>
The people already voted. How ****ing ******ed is the left, they are willing to deny all manner of science and objectively true facts, and openly too.

I think Frank is the epitome of this mental delusion, and Milk
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imo it's a political stunt and a move for the leadership gone bad.

Cameron has been resigned to the history books with zero legacy.. zero.

Johnson and gove felt they should make hay and be next leader but neither expected to see it pass. now both are in the trash too.

may is the compromise leader with no plan.

imo Brexit will be a zombie status of quasi eu membership in all but name, a temporary but in truth permanent arrangement
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
imo it's a political stunt and a move for the leadership gone bad.

Cameron has been resigned to the history books with zero legacy.. zero.

Johnson and gove felt they should make hay and be next leader but neither expected to see it pass. now both are in the trash too.

may is the compromise leader with no plan.

imo Brexit will be a zombie status of quasi eu membership in all but name, a temporary but in truth permanent arrangement
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Being completely out is better than half in mate. That's the truth.
Anyone who thinks the EU is not going to end up as a federalised state is insane, it's been the goal from day one, it's openly stated by its initial founders.

The EU is the complete disconnection of EU citizens from representation

It's undemocratic, totally corrupt and its leaders are not voted for

Remember when Blatter ran for the FIFA presidency, alone, with no challengers, and remember how we viewed that? Juncker ran alone for this job too FYI and nobodies that no one voted for get appointed to positions of great power in the EU. Juncker is pretty much blatter, a corrupt politician from a nothing state, Swiss, Luxembourg, two non countries. Only Blatter is not the obvious raging alcoholic Juncker is

Why the **** do Brits want demonstrably utterly corrupt unelected thieves to control every little thing Britons do? Why would you want it? Do you hate the establishment so much that you will trade them for something far worse?
 
Two things Brits need.
1. Get out of the EU.
2. End the BBC's public funding and cut them loose

The BBC is a net harm to British society
 
PhheHdee said:
Being completely out is better than half in mate. That's the truth.
Anyone who thinks the EU is not going to end up as a federalised state is insane, it's been the goal from day one, it's openly stated by its initial founders.

The EU is the complete disconnection of EU citizens from representation

It's undemocratic, totally corrupt and its leaders are not voted for

Remember when Blatter ran for the FIFA presidency, alone, with no challengers, and remember how we viewed that? Juncker ran alone for this job too FYI and nobodies that no one voted for get appointed to positions of great power in the EU. Juncker is pretty much blatter, a corrupt politician from a nothing state, Swiss, Luxembourg, two non countries. Only Blatter is not the obvious raging alcoholic Juncker is

Why the **** do Brits want demonstrably utterly corrupt unelected thieves to control every little thing Britons do? Why would you want it? Do you hate the establishment so much that you will trade them for something far worse?
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You live in the EU and you hail from a country that’s in the EU.

What negative impact does the EU have on your personal existence?
 
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PhheHdee said:
Being completely out is better than half in mate. That's the truth.
Anyone who thinks the EU is not going to end up as a federalised state is insane, it's been the goal from day one, it's openly stated by its initial founders.

The EU is the complete disconnection of EU citizens from representation

It's undemocratic, totally corrupt and its leaders are not voted for

Remember when Blatter ran for the FIFA presidency, alone, with no challengers, and remember how we viewed that? Juncker ran alone for this job too FYI and nobodies that no one voted for get appointed to positions of great power in the EU. Juncker is pretty much blatter, a corrupt politician from a nothing state, Swiss, Luxembourg, two non countries. Only Blatter is not the obvious raging alcoholic Juncker is

Why the **** do Brits want demonstrably utterly corrupt unelected thieves to control every little thing Britons do? Why would you want it? Do you hate the establishment so much that you will trade them for something far worse?
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It's all about trade, 500million people block of common regulations on a whole range of things but especially medicines and food (my personal bug bear on Brexiteers cos I know the swill they will buy in if allowed) and the co-operation on big projects like air bus.

The reality is the eu is competition to the us so sitting outside it without at least a free trade agreement is a nonsense.

Ignoring all the perfectly correct things you said there the core issue for me is simply free trade. The eu 4 freedoms are no hardship realistically. For people to think European people working and paying tax in UK are outnumbered by freeloaders is hilarious.

The reality is you are right that the eu is on a bad road towards federalisation that clearly at least the peripheral states haven't signed up for but their governments have all gone along with due to the trade and what do we do if we don't question. Ireland is an example of this as it's the only country who has to vote in a referendum on each treaty and voted two down and rush back to revote after re-educating those pesky voters.

But.... in the end trade trumps all.

My view is this will become moot when Germany and France wake up internally and the likes of made in on about tax harmonisation are on the sideline wondering just how they lost power.

The eu/ec/eec was about trade. It should be mostly about trade but to leave it and abdicate your closest and biggest market is still economic suicide as the world moves into higher and higher transport costs. The UK cannot decide to be a net importer from the third world, South America and the US... India and China.

Germany's wealth comes from exports. The UK needs to export goods and services which makes brexit once again economic suicide. The amount of business already lost to Frankfurt and Paris for financial services is grim but the loss of passporting of the euro is just a complete o.g. that gave great influence.

The ideal is the eu backs off federalism and reverts to a loose trade confederation and stops pretending to be a 27 country block of common policy. I say 27 as UK will leave. But until that happens some clear trade deal is necessary to protect the UK economy.
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PhheHdee said:
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BY CARL BERNSTEIN

"In 1953, Joseph Alsop, then one of America’s leading syndicated columnists, went to the Philippines to cover an election. He did not go because he was asked to do so by his syndicate. He did not go because he was asked to do so by the newspapers that printed his column. He went at the request of the CIA.

Alsop is one of more than 400 American journalists who in the past twenty‑five years have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency, according to documents on file at CIA headquarters."

http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

Anderson Cooper was actually employed by the CIA before "getting" a "job" at CNN.
He's CNN's biggest "star" conveniently.


Richard Norton Taylor of the Guardian revealed the same thing with British media in the 1990s.

Believe nothing you are told by the media because anything of import, will be at best spin, at worst complete propaganda. BBC are the worst offenders.

Journalist David Rose also exposed the Observer fabricating news for the Iraq war propaganda, almost certainly for the British intelligence services.

A CIA operativetoldWashington Post owner Philip Graham … in a conversation about the willingness of journalists to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories:
"You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month."
https://arretsurinfo.ch/newly-decla...lists-with-many-of-the-largest-media-outlets/

Sad ****in times indeed
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You ****ing believed Alex Jones over Sandy Hook! <laugh>
 
24 hours til polls open in the US. hopefully nothing happens before and during voting designed to throw it into chaos. both sides are.more than capable of staging a publicity stunt.

The issues are wider than simply trump but this will be seen as a "verdict on trump" vote.

will people vote republican and stick as is or will people swing to democrats... only time will tell.

it's 50/50 on congress and unlikely the Senate will swing.

once it is all done with Mueller could come back with a vengeance... that will also be interesting. He has been very very quiet to protect elections which imo is interesting statement
 
BBC link in that tweet.. has nothing to do with Yemen disaster, it is about biging up the Saudis
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888NabyKeita8 said:
For economic reasons Donald Trump cannot be at loggerhead with Saudi Arabia
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yet, while you were all posting about fake racism and sexism, I was pointing out this very thing with Trump.

Now you come around eh.

But more importantly, the media actually have the power to stop this, by merely reporting on it honestly, and they wont.

The media could have stopped the Iraq war before it happened by committing the act of actual journalism, and they didn't, why? Well when you have weapons makers directors on the BBC trust, and prince charles flogging death to the saudis.

CNN and co could slaughter Trump over Yemen, why do they not? we know why, because they are part of the war machine
 
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888NabyKeita8 said:
Iran sanctions: Rouhani defiant as US re-imposes measures
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-46094489
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I do find it amazing how BBC has been producing propaganda against Iran for decades, and now pretends to turn the corner.
If you believe your own intelligence services and government are not as involved in the destruction of all those countries as is the US, you are misled.

Iran is a target and has been since day one.

What I cant figure out is, which leaders are "in on it" and which are completely misled by lies from the intelligence services.
A politician cannot know what is true or not, they have to rely on proven liars schemers and murderers

Obama was fed lies on the Syrian chemical attacks, but did he know to not? that's the hard question
 
Russia and China publicly announce they are preparing for war.

Iran is a target again

Yemen is on fire and is a complete humanitarian disaster

Fighting still goes on in Ukraine (media blackout)

It's like we are going backwards as a species, well not we but those we elect!!!
 
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