Off Topic Trumpy pumpy.

when you put it like that.....

what else could he have said... especially if he did collude. whats one more lie when you are already done for treason.

its a wonder people expected him to say anything else.

 

Well we already know he had meetings with them... And we already know he publically asked Russia to hack Hillary.

 

He could condemn Russian meddling without saying he too was involved.

We know for a fact that Russia did meddle, that's not a debatable point any more. Him denying they did any meddling is deliberately taking a stand on the side of an issue that we already have proof is wrong.

 

you only think the russians meddled cause the FBI said so

In any case, what meddling did occur? some facebook posts?

 

Not just FBI, but Facebook, Google ads, and Twitter took payments from Russian groups. So this isn't just something the FBI are saying... Some big tech companies are backing them up too.

We know that Trump's representatives had at least one meeting with Russian representatives. We know Trump communicated with Putin before he was sworn in as President after the election.

It's impossible to say how much was done. It's impossible to know how much Trump was in cahoots. He could have just been enjoying the help without doing anything too bad himself.

We do know that Russia was involved and we do know that Trump knew about it. We just don't know how far this goes.

 

but what are these ads and twitter posts? If its the standard fake news stuff then that level of interfering is really the square root of F all really.

I'm more inclined to blame social media for taking the money.

 

Russians hacked a political parties servers.

Russians also hacked electoral registry systems and attempted to hack actual voting machines...

They also appear to have funnelled money to the GOP campaign funds through the NRA and other "3rd party" sources.

Hence the latest rounds of arrests and indictments..

Little bit more serious than buying ads on Facebook and creating Twitter bots

 

That's all come from the FBI though? Thought Trump already said that's fake news

Serious discussion though as i was just netting milk:

1. Is it even possible to see people hacking into your servers without someone successfully doing it (anyone technical know)?

2. Money channelled into the GOP - is there really that much of a difference to Russian Roubles than the NRA or corporation xyz funding party abc? Both are corruption of politicians.

 

on first one I don't know as not an expert.

On second one the difference is it's illegal. Foreign agents aren't allowed to contribute to campaign finance for exactly the reasons it appears have happened here.

You're not even allowed to accept money as a private citizen and then campaign for anything that would benefit a foreign country unless you declare yourself a foreign agent.

So in theory, even if you take direct meetings away (treason) if a candidate has accepted money from a foreign power they can be blackmailed.... if other members of the party have accepted money they too can be blackmailed... so now you have 2 of the 3 sections of the govt compromised .... between those 2 they can if lucky or by arrangement select life time members of the 3rd branch of govt ..... all under the influence of a foreign power.

So the Trump possibility. Money (forget the peepee tape) building deals etc. He's now owned .... so now you have a guy who if he had his way wanted to remove sanctions on Russia put in place because they invaded other nations.

He wants to disband or disrupt NATO and the EU.....

Now these may be his own ideas but they literally go against even most of his own administration and every other administration for 50 years.... you have his party appearing to reverse positions and attitudes on almost all foreign policy and large parts of domestic policies they held before?

Now it could be fear of his base, the base he and alt right mobilised through using social media, pretend news sites and sources a lot of which were paid for and or run by Russian agents.

Or... they too were paid knowingly or unknowingly by a foreign power.

And today that gop congress just entered proposed legislation that would allow the likes of the NRA to hide the identities of its donors..... go figure eh? A day after a leading NRA official is arrested as a Russian agent.....

 

1) yes you can see if people try to access youy servers...

Usually. Depends on software and what is being logged. I know with what I write I log every access attempt and every request for information and the credentials used.

2) I believe it is indeed illegal to accept funds for campaign contributions from foreign sources.

 

And even if that level of subversion isn't achieved. Democracy is a fragile thing. If public perception is that election results can't be trusted then the system breaks down.

If you can polarize a society to the point of civil unrest or at least gridlock or overtly partisan govt decision making then a country tends to become inward looking and isolationist ....especially the US historically... which is what every autocrat around the world wants.... a distracted and divided USA...probably the only state powerful enough to thwart you elsewhere or engineer coalitions to pen you in.

 

It's interesting to see Russia using the very same tactics that the US have used on everyone else. As for Trump, it's hard to second guess his moves, but it's safe to say, it's for HIS benefit and no one else's. Maybe him and Putin are working together to change the World Order, or at least, disturb it significantly to action some sort of change.

Sooner or later, a Trump kind of figure was bound to turn up but whether or not he is the person to create systemic world change, is another thing. Or he could be the person that starts/influences the beginning of it.

 

Yeah.. although I'd argue the Russians have always used these methods and quite frankly have always been better at it. They infiltrated both our and the US secret services to extraordinarily high levels during the cold war.

Every country tries this stuff in countries they wish to undermine or influence but it's accepted that if you get caught there are repercussions.

I personally don't think it needs much.... as flawed as international coalitions of the main powers are, they have largely upheld global peace since WW2.

Without them plus rising nationalism in individual countries it elevates the possibility of global conflicts.

All the usual suspects in their modern guise appear to be reverting to pre ww2 form... with the exception of Germany... although it could be argued they haven't been doing it militarily because they've done it through the EU.. if that breaks down will they stay the same?

Swap Japan for China I suppose this time.

And UK no longer have even a waning empire to use as a crutch.

As much as I dislike a lot of the US post world war 2 meddling i do believe their positioning has stopped larger scale wars among others.

An isolationist US will be a bad thing for Europe, Asia and the Middle East

 

Correction; it was the Treasury Dept that says the likes of the NRA no longer has to identify donors not Congress.

Raises the same questions though.

 

It's ok guys.

Nothing to see here.

Trump just admitted he speaks mitoese and it was all down to an autocorrect. We can all get off our high horses now
He meant to say russia are bigily bad ok.

 

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