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I don't want more middling players.

I want a complete squad with two fit players for each position. How much longer are we going to accept not having a senior LW or RW backup for Kudus.

Folks on here seem to be saying that if we can't get the best, get nobody. This doesn't make sense to me. Get a player that De Zerbi wants that can actually balance the squad. I assume De Zerbi is not going to approve middling players. I imagine De Zerbi will have a more accurate outlook on what he wants than me or any fan. If you don't want to buy, loan.

The time for saving money is done. We may not make it to the European places if we attempt to save our way there. If the academy players are good enough, De Zerbi will use them. If not, it's best they are out on loan developing.

All the best teams have kids or developing players, that in itself is not the primary factor in being crap. If you have to play said kids out of position to even field an eleven for a prolonged period of time, then you are asking for another relegation scrap. We need adequate experience to guide the kids through.

We got rid of our entire best front line one way or another and didn't replace the goals, even with loan players.

That's why we were 17th twice, as well as the injuries of course.

Our approach to evolving the front line is the best possible argument against signing players for the sake of it.

We've spent £380m on that part of the team bringing in Richarlison, Solanke, Tel, Odobert, Kulusevski, Johnson, Simons and Kudus.

You tell me: Has it worked? Have we seen good value for money?

Saying we didn't replace the goals is ridiculous. We tried to. We tried with almost £400m to. It didn't work because when you break that money down, every single one of them falls well below the £80m+ waterline you clearly need to replace the goals.

If you can't sign a player who will almost definitely improve the team, you might as well just donate £50m at time to a local charity instead.

We're constantly signing players with major question marks hovering over them before they kick a ball, and it never works out well. Savinho and Summerville are just the latest in a long line of targets who simply aren't good enough. We'll sign one or both of them and I guarantee you in two years we'll be back here having the same conversation.
 
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Our approach to evolving the front line is the best possible argument against signing players for the sake of it.

We've spent £380m on that part of the team bringing in Richarlison, Solanke, Tel, Odobert, Kulusevski, Johnson, Simons and Kudus.

You tell me: Has it worked? Have we seen good value for money?

Saying we didn't replace the goals is ridiculous. We tried to. We tried with almost £400m to. It didn't work because when you break that money down, every single one of them falls well below the £80m+ waterline you clearly need to replace the goals.

If you can't sign a player who will almost definitely improve the team, you might as well just donate £50m at time to a local charity instead.

We're constantly signing players with major question marks hovering over them before they kick a ball, and it never works out well. Savinho and Summerville are just the latest in a long line of targets who simply aren't good enough. We'll sign one or both of them and I guarantee you in two years we'll be back here having the same conversation.
The issue is we had a period of signing players for one-dimensional reasons

Richy is the best example of this: when he gets into the right position he's a fantastic finisher - but the obvious thing about that sentence is it has one hell of a qualifier in front of it, as his positioning is second only to his offside awareness when it comes to obvious downsides to his game. Sure, having Perisic flinging crosses at his forehead would mitigate those for a season (at a push two, most likely a season and a half tops), but that's one player - now add two, three, four other players signed for one-dimensional reasons (Johnson for his SoT ratio cutting inside, Solanke for his forcing turnovers, Odobert/Solomon for his pace, Werner for his directness, Gil for his dribble completion, Emerson for his cross completion ratio, Gedson for having a pulse...) and you start to notice issues
 
DHs & CKs argument makes sense. Spurs have a long history of signing the days TOP player. Greaves, Ardiles, Ginola, Klinsmann, Gazza. With Ardiles and Villa Spurs were the first to bring in top foreign players. It's the norm for Spurs to have at least one of the worlds top players in their squad. I agree we are better not signing anyone than signing a journeyman. Today a top player will cost 100 million and we should have at least one of those in a top 10 world club.
Spend the money to bring in Ivan Toney for example a player who would make a difference.
We don't need any more 'good' players we need brilliant ones. The PL is the toughest league in the world and we are one of the biggest clubs in it, our squad should reflect that.
 
Today a top player will cost 100 million and we should have at least one of those in a top 10 world club.
Spend the money to bring in Ivan Toney for example a player who would make a difference.
100% agree with the first premise, although less convinced by your example! <yikes> <laugh>
 
Our approach to evolving the front line is the best possible argument against signing players for the sake of it.

We've spent £380m on that part of the team bringing in Richarlison, Solanke, Tel, Odobert, Kulusevski, Johnson, Simons and Kudus.

You tell me: Has it worked? Have we seen good value for money?

Saying we didn't replace the goals is ridiculous. We tried to. We tried with almost £400m to. It didn't work because when you break that money down, every single one of them falls well below the £80m+ waterline you clearly need to replace the goals.

If you can't sign a player who will almost definitely improve the team, you might as well just donate £50m at time to a local charity instead.

We're constantly signing players with major question marks hovering over them before they kick a ball, and it never works out well. Savinho and Summerville are just the latest in a long line of targets who simply aren't good enough. We'll sign one or both of them and I guarantee you in two years we'll be back here having the same conversation.

To be fair, if injuries didn't plague the squad we'd be in a better position to judge.

We'll never know.

We did ok to get Solanke and Richarlison, despite being overcharged. If both were fit more often we'd have done much better over the last two seasons. I'm not sure who else we could have got instead. You tell me. I don't see many PL teams above us with wildly better strikers if all are fit.

Muani as a third striker on loan was not a bad idea on paper, but he simply hasn't been good enough.

Which of these players have come in since Son left?

When I say replacing goals the main crime was about Son and Johnson. LW & RW.

Tel is developing and needs a stronger left winger alongside him. I wish we had gone all out on Semenyo when Ange first had the desire for the player. Tel and Semenyo would have been a solid LW department. I think Tel will improve.

We should have bolstered the LW and not relied on Tel to be the number one in that position in the absence of Son.

Odobert has obviously been hampered with injuries, so I think it's unfair to judge him.

Kudus, great signing, but again needed another fit backup. Kudus and Kulusevski both great signings hampered by injuries. We got rid of Johnson, because he isn't good enough apparently despite bailing us out of many a game and scoring the winning goal in the EL final, but we were left with Muani as the only fit RW and we saw how that worked out.

We should have bolstered the RW and not relied on Kudus to be fit the whole time.

I'm glad we got Simons in the absence of MGW, without him we'd definitely be relegated considering Madison's injury. I believe there is still a place in the squad for MGW as Simons is injured and he can do a job at RW too. Plus, we don't know when Kulu will return. I'd have had Rodgers, but he was never coming.


Haaland transfered for £51.2m. Semenyo was £62.5.

By your logic it would have been wise to not any of Tel, Odobert, Simons etc. and get £80m players instead.

Which £80m+ players are you thinking of that we should have signed? Instead of whom?
 
DHs & CKs argument makes sense. Spurs have a long history of signing the days TOP player. Greaves, Ardiles, Ginola, Klinsmann, Gazza. With Ardiles and Villa Spurs were the first to bring in top foreign players. It's the norm for Spurs to have at least one of the worlds top players in their squad. I agree we are better not signing anyone than signing a journeyman. Today a top player will cost 100 million and we should have at least one of those in a top 10 world club.
Spend the money to bring in Ivan Toney for example a player who would make a difference.
We don't need any more 'good' players we need brilliant ones. The PL is the toughest league in the world and we are one of the biggest clubs in it, our squad should reflect that.

Thanks for the reminder. Toney is who I'd have probably gone for, and I thought that we might have especially when Frank came in.

If we got rid of Richardson and brought in Toney, I'd be happy with that move.
 
To be fair, if injuries didn't plague the squad we'd be in a better position to judge.

We'll never know.

We did ok to get Solanke and Richarlison, despite being overcharged. If both were fit more often we'd have done much better over the last two seasons. I'm not sure who else we could have got instead. You tell me. I don't see many PL teams above us with wildly better strikers if all are fit.

Muani as a third striker on loan was not a bad idea on paper, but he simply hasn't been good enough.

Which of these players have come in since Son left?

When I say replacing goals the main crime was about Son and Johnson. LW & RW.

Tel is developing and needs a stronger left winger alongside him. I wish we had gone all out on Semenyo when Ange first had the desire for the player. Tel and Semenyo would have been a solid LW department. I think Tel will improve.

We should have bolstered the LW and not relied on Tel to be the number one in that position in the absence of Son.

Odobert has obviously been hampered with injuries, so I think it's unfair to judge him.

Kudus, great signing, but again needed another fit backup. Kudus and Kulusevski both great signings hampered by injuries. We got rid of Johnson, because he isn't good enough apparently despite bailing us out of many a game and scoring the winning goal in the EL final, but we were left with Muani as the only fit RW and we saw how that worked out.

We should have bolstered the RW and not relied on Kudus to be fit the whole time.

I'm glad we got Simons in the absence of MGW, without him we'd definitely be relegated considering Madison's injury. I believe there is still a place in the squad for MGW as Simons is injured and he can do a job at RW too. Plus, we don't know when Kulu will return. I'd have had Rodgers, but he was never coming.


Haaland transfered for £51.2m. Semenyo was £62.5.

By your logic it would have been wise to not any of Tel, Odobert, Simons etc. and get £80m players instead.

Which £80m+ players are you thinking of that we should have signed? Instead of whom?

You are justified in asking that question but I don't think it's fair to demand an answer from me, firstly because as I've said - right now we aren't an attractive enough proposal for that calibre of player, but for a broader reason too:

I don't know because we've literally never tried it.

I think back to Semenyo in the summer, and Frank's pathetic little 'we tried so we are ambitious after all' speech in January.

If we'd waved £90m at Bmouth and made him our highest earner, would that have worked? CL football and the chance to step into and fill Son's shoes. I imagine he might have been tempted.

But we'll never know because we refused to go above £70m and also didn't match City's wage offer.

Spurs have had three very obvious chances to really push on and approach that bracket of player:
1) At our peak under Poch
2) When Jose was manager
3) When Conte was manager

All three of those are massive pulls for ambitious players in that top tier, but on each occasion we as usual went for quantity over quality.

Under Jose we spent £70m on Rodon, Hojbjerg, Reguilon and Doherty. Why? Would it have been any worse to just consolidate that into £70m on one truly class player and let academy products fill those other roles? Our best signing that window was an ageing Bale on loan.

Under Conte we spent £85m on Richarlison, Spence and Udogie. Same question.

We don't know who we could realistically get in because we're apparently too scared to properly try.

The alternative is to carry on spending £40-60m on players worth no more than half that, simply because the selling team knows that we have more than enough money to pay.
 
And I'll add:

The irony is that the club shows way more ambition when it comes to the women's team. We regularly pinch other clubs' top players, even though we are miles away from being one of the top teams.

I know it's a different ball game albeit with the same rules, but the cynic in me thinks we do this because overall it's much cheaper, plus the WSL is growing year on year so the owners see a nice gravy train to climb aboard.
 
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We did ok to get Solanke and Richarlison, despite being overcharged.

By your logic it would have been wise to not any of Tel, Odobert, Simons etc. and get £80m players instead.

All five of those mentioned have been poor expensive signings for Spurs.

You’d hope Spurs would have a 50% success rate with transfers. As it is, it feels more like 20%
 
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100% agree with the first premise, although less convinced by your example! <yikes> <laugh>
Ideally? I'd break the bank to get Harry back.
But that's so far into the realms of fiction that I'd probably look at the likes of
Who would you go for?
It's a difficult one - and my objection to Toney is more about his character and career choices than necessarily his performance levels.

Ideally? I'd break the bank to get Harry back.
But that's so far into the realms of fiction that it's probably not even worth the thought.

TBH I cannot come up with anyone off the top of my head - that we could feasibly approach - that would not only improve our forwards goalscoring numbers, but also have sufficient presence to unsettle the opposition.
 
Ideally? I'd break the bank to get Harry back.
But that's so far into the realms of fiction that I'd probably look at the likes of

It's a difficult one - and my objection to Toney is more about his character and career choices than necessarily his performance levels.

Ideally? I'd break the bank to get Harry back.
But that's so far into the realms of fiction that it's probably not even worth the thought.

TBH I cannot come up with anyone off the top of my head - that we could feasibly approach - that would not only improve our forwards goalscoring numbers, but also have sufficient presence to unsettle the opposition.
Toney is a predator and that is an asset in a striker. Nice guy strikers like Lineker are few and far between. Right now Spurs need a bully up front, someone to put fear into defenders.

We might get a 40 year old Kane back but I can't see him leaving Bayern just yet.
 
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