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Less games (no Europe) will hopefully mean less injuries which means the squad won’t be as injury ravaged.

As the squad currently is, I’d expect midtable.

I don’t think any manager alive could get this current squad into the top 4. Top quality additions are needed but the fee and wages for those sort of players aren’t there (due to stadium debt)

I don’t have enough faith in the current recruitment team to get the players Spurs need to massively improve.
I think there a lot of top quality players around the market that are easily attainable/ affordable but the maddest thing is this club just seems to have a preference for mediocrity and is hellbent on it. This still remains the best tweet of last season and sums up the club’s footballing knowledge:
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The only hope I suppose I have to cling to is Vinai seriously pushing full focus on football, getting in the right people both board level and playing personnel. Though being linked with Savinho isn’t filling me with much confidence.
 
Quick question... are all possible transfers subject to the July 1st date for the window to open, or can loan>transfers (like Palhinha) be completed and announced in advance of that date?
 
Quick question... are all possible transfers subject to the July 1st date for the window to open, or can loan>transfers (like Palhinha) be completed and announced in advance of that date?
The Prem official registration opening date is 15th June (or around there) I think. We can announce a deal any time though.

I have a feeling we’re going to try and re-sign Palhinha on loan, whether Bayern or the player accepts it is another matter.
 
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There’s nothing delusional though because this club barely even tries to sign top players. Hence why we splurge on dross like Richarlison, Solanke, Gallagher etc.

Rightly or wrongly we’re part of the Prem big six, we won the Europa League just over a year ago, we have glitzy stadium and world class training facilities and we rank inside the top 10 richest clubs in world football. The idea we’re not an attractive proposition to top players is a myth, the issue is our club forgets who we are at times and seemingly so does our fans.

Sunderland are also not an example to follow. Whilst they went a step or two further, there’s been quite a few promoted sides over the years who take the league by surprise in their debut season only to then falter in their second.

Sir. while all that may be true, the actual reality is we were 17th twice in a row and haven't looked like a top six team since both Son and Kane left.

Rodgers
Eze
Semenyo
Guéhi
MGW
Mbeumo

..all top players who either chose to stay put or move to other clubs in the last few years when the club 'tried'.

If we'd have tried these moves before we lost Kane and Son, we might have succeeded. Who knows?!? I agree that we needed to buy bigger players more in earlier years when we were more attractive. That was the big opportunity, between when we lost the CL final and when we sold Kane, and then Son.

Prior to this chapter Paulinha first chose to go to Bayern instead of us when he was closer to his peak and came to us partly because it didn't work out there.

Just look at where the top players move in this window and keep saying to yourself that we are in the 'Prem big six'. If we don't give De Zerbi an actual team with balance there is only one way this goes.

What we actually need to do, as well as trying to get the best players in their prime, is become the team that gets the likes of Rodgers, Eze, Semenyo and Guéhi before they become the players that the bigger teams want. Eze was there for the taking for years and we waited until he became a big player before trying. Dumb. If we had bought from QPR back in the day, who knows what the situation would be now, of course he wouldn't have been the 'big' player then. Villa have succeeded in doing this partly because they have benefited from the stability and philosophy of a good manager.

This is exactly what we did with Kane, Bale, Son, etc.

We also bought good players with experience from the teams 'below' us. Dembele, Wanyama, Dempsey etc. all came from teams deemed to be 'below' us. That picture has changed slightly in the minds of some teams, hence the MGW situation.

De Zerbi coming in will hopefully make a difference, but we have to give him a run of years and back him to build a team.

On Sunderland, we need to follow any example that actually works. saying different is part of the delusion. Do you believe we'll do better than them next season just because it'll be their second season? We may need to act as if we just came up from the championship ourselves and at least aim for the one good season you're eluding to in the hope that we can push on from there, if we don't all of the top tier players we're after.

We need to build a team and not rely solely on the individual brilliance of a few players.

If you wanna ignore Sunderland look at Brentford, Brighton etc. Even Fulham! They have focussed on building teams, rather than simply getting 'top' players and they have become consistent. They've even managed to finish above us even after selling their best players to other 'big six' teams, not us. We have been stuck in the delusion of 'big' in between these two modes and not really doing the best work in either direction, hence getting good players past their prime and leaving the pick of the talented youngsters to the likes of Chelsea all whilst other teams we like to call 'lesser' build balanced squads and pass us.
 
Sir. while all that may be true, the actual reality is we were 17th twice in a row and haven't looked like a top six team since both Son and Kane left.

Rodgers
Eze
Semenyo
Guéhi
MGW
Mbeumo

..all top players who either chose to stay put or move to other clubs in the last few years when the club 'tried'.

If we'd have tried these moves before we lost Kane and Son, we might have succeeded. Who knows?!? I agree that we needed to buy bigger players more in earlier years when we were more attractive. That was the big opportunity, between when we lost the CL final and when we sold Kane, and then Son.

Prior to this chapter Paulinha first chose to go to Bayern instead of us when he was closer to his peak and came to us partly because it didn't work out there.

Just look at where the top players move in this window and keep saying to yourself that we are in the 'Prem big six'. If we don't give De Zerbi an actual team with balance there is only one way this goes.

What we actually need to do, as well as trying to get the best players in their prime, is become the team that gets the likes of Rodgers, Eze, Semenyo and Guéhi before they become the players that the bigger teams want. Eze was there for the taking for years and we waited until he became a big player before trying. Dumb. If we had bought from QPR back in the day, who knows what the situation would be now, of course he wouldn't have been the 'big' player then. Villa have succeeded in doing this partly because they have benefited from the stability and philosophy of a good manager.

This is exactly what we did with Kane, Bale, Son, etc.

We also bought good players with experience from the teams 'below' us. Dembele, Wanyama, Dempsey etc. all came from teams deemed to be 'below' us. That picture has changed slightly in the minds of some teams, hence the MGW situation.

De Zerbi coming in will hopefully make a difference, but we have to give him a run of years and back him to build a team.

On Sunderland, we need to follow any example that actually works. saying different is part of the delusion. Do you believe we'll do better than them next season just because it'll be their second season? We may need to act as if we just came up from the championship ourselves and at least aim for the one good season you're eluding to in the hope that we can push on from there, if we don't all of the top tier players we're after.

We need to build a team and not rely solely on the individual brilliance of a few players.

If you wanna ignore Sunderland look at Brentford, Brighton etc. Even Fulham! They have focussed on building teams, rather than simply getting 'top' players and they have become consistent. They've even managed to finish above us even after selling their best players to other 'big six' teams, not us. We have been stuck in the delusion of 'big' in between these two modes and not really doing the best work in either direction, hence getting good players past their prime and leaving the pick of the talented youngsters to the likes of Chelsea all whilst other teams we like to call 'lesser' build balanced squads and pass us.

Can you not see any correlation between us signing a bunch of £40-60m players none of whom bar Romero and maybe Maddison have actually been an improvement on the team, and the two 17th place finishes?

Re acting like we've just come up from the championship, that's just not possible. Our revenue is 4/5x greater than any championship team and our wage bill is 2/3x times bigger, and everyone knows it.
 
Sir. while all that may be true, the actual reality is we were 17th twice in a row and haven't looked like a top six team since both Son and Kane left.

Rodgers
Eze
Semenyo
Guéhi
MGW
Mbeumo

..all top players who either chose to stay put or move to other clubs in the last few years when the club 'tried'.

If we'd have tried these moves before we lost Kane and Son, we might have succeeded. Who knows?!? I agree that we needed to buy bigger players more in earlier years when we were more attractive. That was the big opportunity, between when we lost the CL final and when we sold Kane, and then Son.

Prior to this chapter Paulinha first chose to go to Bayern instead of us when he was closer to his peak and came to us partly because it didn't work out there.

Just look at where the top players move in this window and keep saying to yourself that we are in the 'Prem big six'. If we don't give De Zerbi an actual team with balance there is only one way this goes.

What we actually need to do, as well as trying to get the best players in their prime, is become the team that gets the likes of Rodgers, Eze, Semenyo and Guéhi before they become the players that the bigger teams want. Eze was there for the taking for years and we waited until he became a big player before trying. Dumb. If we had bought from QPR back in the day, who knows what the situation would be now, of course he wouldn't have been the 'big' player then. Villa have succeeded in doing this partly because they have benefited from the stability and philosophy of a good manager.

This is exactly what we did with Kane, Bale, Son, etc.

We also bought good players with experience from the teams 'below' us. Dembele, Wanyama, Dempsey etc. all came from teams deemed to be 'below' us. That picture has changed slightly in the minds of some teams, hence the MGW situation.

De Zerbi coming in will hopefully make a difference, but we have to give him a run of years and back him to build a team.

On Sunderland, we need to follow any example that actually works. saying different is part of the delusion. Do you believe we'll do better than them next season just because it'll be their second season? We may need to act as if we just came up from the championship ourselves and at least aim for the one good season you're eluding to in the hope that we can push on from there, if we don't all of the top tier players we're after.

We need to build a team and not rely solely on the individual brilliance of a few players.

If you wanna ignore Sunderland look at Brentford, Brighton etc. Even Fulham! They have focussed on building teams, rather than simply getting 'top' players and they have become consistent. They've even managed to finish above us even after selling their best players to other 'big six' teams, not us. We have been stuck in the delusion of 'big' in between these two modes and not really doing the best work in either direction, hence getting good players past their prime and leaving the pick of the talented youngsters to the likes of Chelsea all whilst other teams we like to call 'lesser' build balanced squads and pass us.
And why do you think the reality of us being 17th twice is because of?

I’ll tell you - we were signing the calibre of players you’re still trying to advocate we should continue signing.

No one has said we can’t sign players “below” us, there’s hardly anyone below us as it is based off the last two years, where a player comes from is partially irrelevant, what they actually offer however is the crux of the issue. Summerville offers nothing other than being a clone of Tel and Odobert, as is Savinho and he's far from below us in the table. Spending north of £40m-£50m on these players is exactly how we’ve found ourselves in the position we’re in where dross like Richarlison, Solanke and now Gallagher stink it up.

We’ve also tried signing players before the bigger clubs get a whiff of them but the problem is our eye for talent might as well be Stevie Wonder.

Do I think we’ll be better than Sunderland next season? Yes - if we act like Tottenham Hotspur and not Sunderland. Just as we can be better than Brighton, Brentford et al too.

The reason we’ve lost our ability to finish regularly in the top six is because we’ve acted like a midtable club with the calibre of signings we’ve largely made. If you sign mediocre players you’ll get mediocre positioning, add in some injuries and you’re facing a relegation battle.

As for we should perhaps act like we’ve just come up, sorry but that’s utter nonsense and so small club mentality-like, we don’t pay amongst the highest prices in Europe only to have the mindset of acting like a promoted side.
 
Can you not see any correlation between us signing a bunch of £40-60m players none of whom bar Romero and maybe Maddison have actually been an improvement on the team, and the two 17th place finishes?

Re acting like we've just come up from the championship, that's just not possible. Our revenue is 4/5x greater than any championship team and our wage bill is 2/3x times bigger, and everyone knows it.
Yes, of course. They were a bunch of kids with little or no premier league experience. If we'd have bought more experience we may have done better. This is what Ange was trying to do but the board only went for the biggest stars, that wanted to go elsewhere, or the brightest affordable kids.

Who do you believe we should have signed, but didn't?
 
And why do you think the reality of us being 17th twice is because of?

I’ll tell you - we were signing the calibre of players you’re still trying to advocate we should continue signing.

No one has said we can’t sign players “below” us, there’s hardly anyone below us as it is based off the last two years, where a player comes from is partially irrelevant, what they actually offer however is the crux of the issue. Summerville offers nothing other than being a clone of Tel and Odobert, as is Savinho and he's far from below us in the table. Spending north of £40m-£50m on these players is exactly how we’ve found ourselves in the position we’re in where dross like Richarlison, Solanke and now Gallagher stink it up.

We’ve also tried signing players before the bigger clubs get a whiff of them but the problem is our eye for talent might as well be Stevie Wonder.

Do I think we’ll be better than Sunderland next season? Yes - if we act like Tottenham Hotspur and not Sunderland. Just as we can better than Brighton, Brentford et al too.

The reason we’ve lost our ability to finish regularly in the top six is because we’ve acted like a midtable club with the calibre of signings we’ve largely made. If you sign mediocre players you’ll get mediocre positioning, add in some injuries and you’re facing a relegation battle.

As for we should perhaps act like we’ve just come up, sorry but that’s utter nonsense and so small club mentality-like, we don’t pay amongst the highest prices in Europe only to have the mindset of acting like a promoted side.
Act like Tottenham Hotspur, whatever that means, and sign who?
 
Yes, of course. They were a bunch of kids with little or no premier league experience. If we'd have bought more experience we may have done better. This is what Ange was trying to do but the board only went for the biggest stars, that wanted to go elsewhere, or the brightest affordable kids.

Who do you believe we should have signed, but didn't?

Richarlison, Solanke, Johnson and Kudus all had PL experience when we signed them.

Ndombele, Lo Celso and Simons all had experience in one of Europe's top leagues.

Total £380m plus wages spent to take us backwards.

I'm afraid the overwhelming evidence of it is that continuing to pursue these middling £40-60m players who aren't good enough and only cost that much because the selling club knows that we A) have the money and B) are desperate, is a terrible business model.
 
WHO?!? Not what calibre. List them.

Here I don't actually agree with DH because I think that in our current state we will really struggle to attract top quality players.

I've said previously, the current strategy should be a mix of young talent (which we are already geared towards) plus players on their last big contract like Senesi and Robertson (which we haven't been geared towards in two decades). Meanwhile, spend nothing on the pointless middling players you seem to want more of, instead giving the academy players a chance and more importantly saving the money so that when we return to European football, we can actually afford to approach an £80-100m player.
 
Just for perspective’s sake.

West Ham were able to sign Paqueta from Milan. Palace signed Lacroix from Wolfsburg when roughly half the big six were checking him out. Toon signed Guimaraes and Tripps when they were in a relegation battle. Sunderland signed Xhaka and Mukiele.

The Premier League and its finances have insane pull. Now factor in the club who is ranked around 5th-6th in term of finances in said Premier League (and 9th-10th in the world) and that makes a very attractive proposition for roughly 90% of players in world football.

The problem is our club hasn’t seen itself as such or more importantly hasn’t wanted to act as such (which Vinai indirectly addressed in his statement) and so we’ll start to see if Vinai is full of **** or really is intent on reminding Tottenham Hotspur - and some of its fans it seems - just who they are.
 
Just for perspective’s sake.

West Ham were able to sign Paqueta from Milan. Palace signed Lacroix from Wolfsburg when roughly half the big six were checking him out. Toon signed Guimaraes and Tripps when they were in a relegation battle. Sunderland signed Xhaka and Mukiele.

The Premier League and its finances have insane pull. Now factor in the club who is ranked around 5th-6th in term of finances in said Premier League (and 9th-10th in the world) and that makes a very attractive proposition for roughly 90% of players in world football.

The problem is our club hasn’t seen itself as such or more importantly hasn’t wanted to act as such (which Vinai indirectly addressed in his statement) and so we’ll start to see if Vinai is full of **** or really is intent on reminding Tottenham Hotspur - and some of its fans it seems - just who they are.
I've zero faith in ENIC

I believe our club has no interest in acting like a big club.

I'm already convinced Vinai is full of ****

More importantly don't forget to sign up for the World cup sweepstake on the Prem board
 
In terms of finance Levy presided over one of the best run businesses in football. In 2012 Spurs de listed from the stock exchange and became a private limited company. This, as I understand it, was to enable long term finance for the stadium build. They have looked for minority equity investors to help finance transfers but do not appear to have found any. They have rejected takeover bids because this was never their plan.

So under Levy, build the business first to find ways to finance transfers. Levy has gone and noises from the owners suggest a new model of running Spurs is about to happen. This summer transfer window will show us how this will pan out.

As DH and others have said it's not just about spending money it's how you spend it. We will see. The biggest problem appears to be who we buy and most Spurs fans are not convinced by our scouting at all. DeZerbi is the new hope for fans. Will the board listen to him and back him?
 
In terms of finance Levy presided over one of the best run businesses in football. In 2012 Spurs de listed from the stock exchange and became a private limited company. This, as I understand it, was to enable long term finance for the stadium build. They have looked for minority equity investors to help finance transfers but do not appear to have found any. They have rejected takeover bids because this was never their plan.

So under Levy, build the business first to find ways to finance transfers. Levy has gone and noises from the owners suggest a new model of running Spurs is about to happen. This summer transfer window will show us how this will pan out.

As DH and others have said it's not just about spending money it's how you spend it. We will see. The biggest problem appears to be who we buy and most Spurs fans are not convinced by our scouting at all. DeZerbi is the new hope for fans. Will the board listen to him and back him?
Considering everything from September onwards has demonstrated that Levy was getting blamed for what those above him were pushing, the most recent example being the expectation the board are letting the option on Palhinha's loan expire so we can negotiate for a lower price (which is exactly what happened with both Kulusevski and Pau Lopez, to wildly different results) the talk of a new model is more likely a fresh coat of paint

Easing up the wage structure is overdue (by at least four years, probably closer to six...) but I get the feeling the model of the significant wage bump coming in the new signings' second contract will continue for a while yet
 
Here I don't actually agree with DH because I think that in our current state we will really struggle to attract top quality players.

I've said previously, the current strategy should be a mix of young talent (which we are already geared towards) plus players on their last big contract like Senesi and Robertson (which we haven't been geared towards in two decades). Meanwhile, spend nothing on the pointless middling players you seem to want more of, instead giving the academy players a chance and more importantly saving the money so that when we return to European football, we can actually afford to approach an £80-100m player.
I don't want more middling players.

I want a complete squad with two fit players for each position. How much longer are we going to accept not having a senior LW or RW backup for Kudus.

Folks on here seem to be saying that if we can't get the best, get nobody. This doesn't make sense to me. Get a player that De Zerbi wants that can actually balance the squad. I assume De Zerbi is not going to approve middling players. I imagine De Zerbi will have a more accurate outlook on what he wants than me or any fan. If you don't want to buy, loan.

The time for saving money is done. We may not make it to the European places if we attempt to save our way there. If the academy players are good enough, De Zerbi will use them. If not, it's best they are out on loan developing.

All the best teams have kids or developing players, that in itself is not the primary factor in being crap. If you have to play said kids out of position to even field an eleven for a prolonged period of time, then you are asking for another relegation scrap. We need adequate experience to guide the kids through.

We got rid of our entire best front line one way or another and didn't replace the goals, even with loan players.

That's why we were 17th twice, as well as the injuries of course.