Transfer Rumours transfer thread fact and fiction

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  1. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Sounds right for Spurs, go in with an offer less than a 1/3 of the selling club want and piss them off so much that they’d end up preferring to sell to just about anyone else

    Vintage Levy :emoticon-0120-doh:
     
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  2. humanbeingincroydon

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    There's one constant when it comes to transfers: if a club immediately accepts your first offer, you've offered way more than the player is worth

    It's also worth pointing out that, as things stand, Fener are a long way from qualifying for European competition next season, which is another damn good reason not to offer £13m upfront as it's not as if they can offer him Champions league football to stay another season

    Most importantly, it needs to be stressed that while Muriqi has got some good returns (25 in 50 for Rizespor, 13 in 25 for Fener) the fact remains that he's only delivered in the Turkish league - and considering that it's pretty much accepted that Eredivisie goal stats don't count for much in the Premier League unless the striker in question is a van Nistelrooy or a Suarez, why should we be paying upfront for a player who has scored for fun in a weaker league? It's the same reason why the £25m+ fees being bandied about for Morelos at Rangers are utterly ridiculous
     
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  3. PowerSpurs

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    We really don't do that. Or we wouldn't have signed players like Son, Eriksen, Lo Celso, Sanchez etc under Levy. We will get a lot of transfer decisions wrong but your claim that that is our typical approach is absurd.
     
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  4. KingHotspur

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  7. humanbeingincroydon

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    Muriqi isn't even valued at £22m

    What's obvious is that Muriqi is a bench option and not a starter, much the same as Llorente as he's strong and has aerial presence so can be a handful when coming off the bench and (hopefully...) do a job in low priority games. More than anything else, though, he's a punt: someone with a good goal return in a weaker league who could potentially do a job, but the word "potentially" is doing a lot of legwork in that sentence

    If he was someone banging them in for fun in the Bundesliga, Serie A or Ligue 1 it's a different matter entirely to try and haggle the price down to such a degree as that's simply asking for someone else to sneak in and sign him from under us, but as we learned with Janssen or Postiga paying a large amount upfront on a punt may look like a smart bit of business if it works, but if it fails it really doesn't and also leaves us potentially taking a significant hit when trying to recoup what we paid

    That's why, even though Milik would feature in the exact same role (and, on paper, wouldn't have any issue with it as that's his role at Napoli and with the Poland team) is being touted for around £35m: not because of a couple of prolific seasons at Ajax (although that helps) but because of four seasons of consistent scoring in Serie A in spite being behind Lozano and Mertens in the pecking order
     
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  8. KingHotspur

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    Why are they idiots? Because they don’t the same view as you? I’m absolutely sick of certain posters on here who belittle and insult anyone with a different opinion to themselves.

    Just forget I posted as I won’t reply anymore
     
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  9. The Changing Man

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    King - I don't think the 'idiot' was a pop at you, I think power was aiming at 'the clickbait' journalism that some of us see as being deliberately inflammatory to our fan base there is a lot of anti Spurs 'media' that write these stories, there are no quotes, no sources for this information in the particular story that you linked to.

    Club business is not generally released to the press, our media is pretty rubbish in the main and I think that is why we get a lot of join the dots journalism around our club. We know that once we sign a player the media will always state the maximum figure that we might pay, but most deals are structured what if the low amounts we are often quoted in the media as offering are just the amounts we are prepared to pay initially to get the player to the club, with significant performance based add ons that would get us closer to the amount the selling club see as the value of their asset. This would make sense of these stories to me.
     
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  10. PowerSpurs

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    I've never insulted or belittled anyone for their opinion. But opinions ought to be formed through an analysis of facts and when this doesn't seem to be the case I will ask for the facts. If the best you can do is to post random people who share your opinion then it is a good plan not to respond to my posts.
     
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  11. BobbyD

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    Agreed. You are a very mild manner poster and one of the best for it <ok>

    @KingHotspur keep your hair on mate, PS wasn't having a pop.

    as for the rest though, as usual i will disagree. even though there isn't "hard evidence" like the tories deliberately lying (they could just be thick as mince), i believe theres enough circumstantial evidence that levy is indeed tight and a bargain hunter from numerous low balling bids and the number of chairman who have said so and the numerous times deals have gone down to the wire.

    This may be the correct business plan (obviously you can't spend what you cannot afford) but we shall see from a footballing perspective how this continues to fair
     
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  12. Dier Hard

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    In a case like this, where in general Muriqi doesn’t exactly have a big reputation (although being mates with a lot of the GFB, it’s safe to say I’ve heard of him) I can understand a lowball offer. 26, only played in Turkey and so his market value/ asking price should in theory be around £12m-£15m, therefore offering an initial offer of around a third of his price makes sense. It lets Fener know we’re interested but equally that we won’t pay over the odds for someone who hasn’t got the biggest of pedigrees. If we go back in with a second bid, I’d imagine it’d be circa £8m-£9m with the aim of possibly settling on a fee with Fener of around £11m after negotiations/ haggling.

    If Levy made a £4.5m bid for say someone like Aarons I’d be embarrassed, as Aarons will likely be sold for circa £25m-£30m and a bid like that could even force Norwich to say “**** off” (see Grealish and Villa) but in this case, I don’t blame and even somewhat agree with Levy’s approach for Muriqi, providing a) the rumour is true and then b) there’s genuine intention to go back in with another offer.
     
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  13. PowerSpurs

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    I can't think of a single case where we have made a bid at a third of the value a player was sold for soon after.
     
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    I think that player values are going to take quite a substantial hit from the current situation.
    Early bids are going to determine just what someone can be sold for now and I think we'll see a massive drop.
     
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  15. humanbeingincroydon

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    Here's an obvious question which is clearly eluding certain posters: what constitutes the "right" bid for a player?

    Case in point, we've been linked with Nordsjaelland midfielder Mohammed Kudus with a fee of £4.5m being touted. So, is that the "right" amount we should bid? If not, what is the "right" amount to bid? Is it higher or lower than that figure?

    This is the obvious issue: on paper that figure is surely perfectly reasonable, as he's only played in the Danish league where players don't tend to leave for massive fees (case in point, last summer Robert Skov joined Hoffenheim from Copenhagen for €10m, while Andreas Skov Olsen joined Bologna from Nordsjaelland for €9M), and not to put too fine a point on it the top Danish talent has usually left that league between their 18th-21st birthdays for either the Eredivisie or Bundesliga, and on top of that his contract expires in 2021

    So should we be bidding low now, or should we let him join a Dutch/German club and only lodge a bid a year or two from now when he could potentially be valued at £15-20m because we should be offering an arbitrary minimum figure for all transfer targets? And if so, what is that arbitrary figure? £10m? £15m? Seriously, what is it we should be spending on players?
     
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    I agree with @PleaseNotPoll .....the market will have collapsed and it's anyone's guess how much by. So we should start lower than usual if anything.
     
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  17. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    Clubs from leagues without significant tv deals could be in significant financial difficulty. I am sure that many will find that they have to sell players to make up for falling gate receipts...and knowing this, the bids are going to be fractions of what they would have been a year ago.

    As usual, the rich will get richer...
     
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  19. humanbeingincroydon

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    That number could potentially be much lower if clubs' main outgoing, wages, were reduced - but no, the PFA knew better than anyone else...
     
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  20. Billy The Yid

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    Maybe not, but we have low balled clubs and tried to take advantage of their struggling financial situation, rather than just paying a fair price (or close to it) to get a deal done quickly. There were rumours Levy bid £8m for Grealish in the midst of Villa`s financial problems, when Villa were demanding around £25m - £30m at the time. The offer was dragging on all window as Levy played his usual brinkmanship cards, but Villa were then rescued and we missed out on a top player who is now being touted at £50m.
     
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