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The thing is if he started Moura and still lost, fans/ media/ pundits would've then said why didn't he start Kane?

I think that's what Dee's getting at and it's true, Poch was damned in any scenario that involved a loss.

 

How do you know it would have changed the result. I was only for starting Kane in the event that he could do 120 minutes, that we will never know.

 

I kinda agree here. If he kept Kane on the bench and started Moura and we still lost, I wouldn't be complaining. Even if he played Moura and Kane from the start and used Winks as a sub, I wouldn't have minded.

The guy scored a hat-trick in the semi!! FFS. Play him!

Let Kane prove himself as a sub for once. Just once.

I think Liverpool know how handle Kane, especially an unfit Kane. A hungry and on form Moura is a different prospect.

 

From yesterday...

I'm not against criticism. Everyone makes mistakes. I'll call 'em when I see 'em.

I'm against constant negativity. I don't see that it serves any useful purpose.

 

I'm usually with you bro but the whole Moura debate became a moot point from 25 seconds into the game. The moment we conceded that penalty, all tactics and theories more or less went out the window. I think if we'd seen a closely fought, tooth n nail contest which was something like 1-1 until the 70th minute and then Pool scored a second and we only brought Moura on after 80 minutes but they held on to win, there would be more to talk about. But Poch entered the game with a certain plan in mind and that plan was thrown out the window after 3 minutes, in the biggest game of his career. Some things just can't be mitigated for.

 

The justification would have been that Moura scored a hat-trick in the semis and Kane was unlikely to be 100% match-fit after such a lengthy lay-off. I think most people would have understood and accepted that.

 

I wouldn’t have...Kane wasn’t ready to start at all but it’s Kane so let’s brush it under the carpet.

I was calling it before the game therefore I’m not prepared to just shrug it off after. Kane or Alli but never Moura...that one is on Poch...I’m not willing to forget it.

Hacks are hacks can’t have them influencing team line ups

 

Ifs n buts...the 30 second brain fart was not accounted for in team selection prior to the game. That’s Poch’s sentiment playing it’s hand

 

I doubt any manager prepares for a CL final expecting to concede a freak penalty in the opening minute. In so many ways the game was over as a contest from that point on due to the quality of Pool's back line. And it showed.

 

You don’t enter a game with guarantees but you certainly don’t drop your hat trick hero who seemed to be the only one with the bit between the teeth. Sometimes players lead teams...he was doing it...Poch’s love child was declared fit so Poch lost his rationale

 

Personally I think once Moura came on we looked more threatening.

Kane had 26 touches in the whole game...if that was anyone else I can imagine there would have been more to say on here

Statistics and rep don’t win finals...it’s who’s ready...Moura was.

 

I'm usually in agreement with you, but I disagree here. I've seen us concede early in games and fight back to win. Many a nil-nil borefest became a good fight once we conceded a goal. The prior Champions League matches against City and Ajax included. Is it because it's Liverpool, or the final, that we have a licence to go damp and soggy in a match because we're a goal down?

Obviously nobody plans to concede early, but this idea of the match and plan being over after 4 minutes, is a weird one when you compare the prior matches, no?

 

I'd like to think I'm positive and negative...to always be one or the other is too unnatural to me.

 

It's shocking that one goal can throw everything off kilter and that's us done...I can't believe that it's fine...can't be helped attitude. The players and Poch had 90 minutes plus to land a punch back.

 

You are. I try to be more positive but if we **** up, better to accept it and learn from the mistake. What's hard to take is that before the game, I knew Kane was going to play and I thought it wasn't going to work because it hasn't previously .

I'd have kept him up our sleeve until the heat sapped some of the energy levels and if necessary brought him on at some point in the second half. He was fit to run around. He wasn't fit to win the biggest game in our club's history......IN MY OPINION.

 

Given the dynamic of the two sides the early pen was absolute murder - it leaves a team who have really struggled to break teams down, trying to break down a team who are 1-0 up and who manage to have an unbelievably solid defensive unit combined with a front 3 who will press effectively. The early goal was literally the worst thing that could have happened both for Spurs to win, and for the game as a spectacle as a neutral.

Sure, Poch could have reacted by putting Llorente and Moura on the moment Salah put the ball past Lloris, so we could go more direct, but would that really not have raised a few eyebrows?

Quite aside from anything else the early goal meant Klopp tactically had us on toast from the very start of the game.

 

But the point is, the fickleness of so many Spurs fans and pundits alike would’ve meant had Lucas started, and we still lost, there would’ve been headlines of “Poch dropping Kane in CL final backfires”.

I think that’s what Dee is getting at. Poch was ****ed if we lost that game because his decision would’ve been scrutinised either way.

 

Not necessarily you, Spurly. But the general fan base and pundits would’ve been all over it. That’s the problem.

In any defeat, Poch was ****ed as his selection was always going to be scrutinised.

 

Of course, but he's got previous for making this same mistake.
How many times has Kane been rushed back from injury and we've dramatically underperformed as a result?
He should never have started and he was clearly miles off the pace.

 

I'm more gutted than I can explain at the loss and the manner of it. Mistakes were made, players played badly, we had some really bad luck, my daughter cried....**** happens.

No matter, I've booked my tickets for Dulwich Hamlet and Inter.

Let's hope we improve the squad and win something next time.

COYS!