There's definitely been other seasons where that's happened, for example 2006-7: Berbatov (12), Keane (11), Defoe (10) 2011-12: Adebayor (17), Defoe and van der Vaart (both 11), Bale (10) 2018-19: Kane (17), Son (12), Lucas (10) 2020-1: Kane (23), Son (17), Bale (11) The thing with that stat is there's plenty of seasons where we almost had that, for example 1994-5: Klinsmann (20), Sheringham (18), Barmby (9) 1999-2000: Iversen, Armstrong (both 14), Sherwood (8) 2001-2: Sheringham, Poyet (both 10), Ferdinand (9) 2005-6: Keane (16), Mido (11), Defoe (9) 2019-20: Kane (18), Son (11), Dele (8) And realistically that's the point: while the focal point up front needs to get around 12-15 goals minimum, they need to be supported not just by players capable of getting into double figures, but also enough players in the squad capable of getting 6-8 goals Then, of course, it's working out where those players fit 12-15: Richy 10: Son, Maddison 6-8: Kulusevski, Bentancur, Johnson, Veliz (this season, anyway), maybe Porro After that it's either players who will hopefully score 2-3 if needs be (Sarr already on the way towards that), or players who any goal is a bonus (which Cuti and Emerson have already done)
Nope, it was essentially bust when Sugar took over from Scholar, but then Sugar just saw the way football was going and didn`t want to spend to keep up, so he sold it to a load of investors and property developers, who have gone on to deliver the most unsuccessful period in this clubs history since the war.
Has the the actual squad for the season been announced yet. I maybe wrong but I think that we still have 19 overseas players over 21 and 7 home grown. The 19 does include Lloris so if we discount him then we have leave 1 more out who I would assume would 1 out of Ndombele, Dier and Gil. I only include Gil as I am unsure of if he will be fit any time soon.
It’s much harder to get success nowadays though with the amount of money involved. Trophies are monopolised by the same few teams except for the odd exception here and there. Not like there hasn’t been chances either, we’ve got to one less cup final in ENICs reign than we did in the same period before them (in addition to the numerous semi-finals) so not like they’ve been actively trying not to win trophies. We’ve qualified for Europe 16 times under ENICs reign which is more than double the same period before they took over. We’ve massively progressed since the days of sugar. Both on and off the pitch. Some of the best facilities in the world and competing at the right end of the league. Of course there’s been mistakes, you’d expect that in over 20 years and if they were to go, I’d be intrigued but not going to ever be in the camp of something good happens = manager, something bad happens = levy.
Or our most successful run of league finishes in the clubs history, whilst reaching similar numbers of semi finals and finals as previous regimes, but failing to win the important matches (semis and finals) through a mixture of ill fortune and not turning up. Of course it is easy to use either argument to suit whichever agenda you prefer, I am ambivalent towards Levy and Enic, I have watched under their regime some of the best players and some of the best football that this club has ever played, but I would also like to see us a win a cup or two, and I do agree that opportunities to push on have been mismanaged, but its not as black and white as being pro or anti Enic some of us have somehow got a foot in both camps. Right now the players that we have need our support and as a fanbase we need to get behind all of them and I have said here this week that if Johnson was the only arrival it would be a massive disappointment, but that's where we are. Now we have get on with it and I hope that some of the players that we we all seem to be focussed on not being good enough (like Richarlison for instance) make progress with Ange and that he can forge this group into a team where the whole becomes greater than the sum of its parts COYS
Not sure how I forgot those other seasons, mind went to pot there. As for current set up, the 2-3 goals players are pretty standard at any club so I won’t really look at predicting those. As for higher numbers, naturally I definitely don’t see Richarlison hitting as many as you think, not just because he’s rubbish and never hit more than 13 anyway but because my theory is that Johnson will replace him and not Kulusevski in the side but it’s hard to predict how many Johnson will get. Son’s overall game has picked up in the last two games but still not really getting into clinical positions to score like he used to and Kulu is more of a creative forward than a finisher, so 6-8 as you’ve said is probably his ballpark. I think over the course of the season we’re going to be between 15-20 goals short in general, whether the improvements in defence can cover for that with regards to needing to win 1-0 than 3-2 (or lose 3-2) is something to be seen but I just think over a 38 game season, we won’t have enough collective firepower. Ange needed his Kyogo equivalent. He’s got more or less everything else so far from a first XI perspective, we just won’t mention the squad.
That's debatable tbh. I would suggest that the 1974-1977 was the most unsuccessful period since the war. A lost final, 3 managers, a near relegation (saved 1 game before end of season), relegation. In the 1978 -80 period we lost 5 nil at home to Arsenal and 7 nil away at Liverpool withing a 3 month period and needed 3 games to beat non league Altrincham in the FA Cup. So 1974-1980 (for me) is our worst period since the war. Of course this is our longest period with a trophy but since 2008 we have lost 4 finals (1 on penalties United who were reigning CL winners and went on to be PL Champions, 1 to Chelsea who won the title to, 1 to City who were dominating football and one to Liverpool in unlucky circumstances in terms of the early penalty who were a top team). I am not happy with Levy's record since 2019 and have critised Levys managerial choice record before that. However there is no doubting how much we have improved. I think we have wasted the last 4 years and for me that is all on Levy but I don't think we should think of 2006-2019 as a failure.
I think with regards to ENIC and Levy the question is more about what they can do rather than what they’ve done or not done. Do people feel they’re still the right people to take Spurs further? Personally, having been pro-ENIC for many years, then ambivalent in recent, I’m more of the opinion they no longer are. Levy especially has more or less been a massive burden and his exploitation of fans makes him a grade A ****er now in my eyes, in fact I think he’s a massive ****, having read some messages from former staff as well as fans with families, it’s genuinely gutting to see people that love the club so much now unable to go and watch the team. It’s disgusting what he’s done with pricing. However, as I’ve said many times before, our opinions of owners are irrelevant and no actions by the fanbase will actually change anything, you only have to look at Utd with the Glazers or Toon fans with Ashley for many years to realise owners will only ever sell when they want, not when the fans want.
To be fair, I think 2020-1 is an easy season to forget for a myriad of reasons - not least because every goal for half a season was greeted with Darude's Sandstorm, so it's not a surprise people would want to block that out The real test this season is to pump up the number of players in the 5-8 goal range, because the last 2-3 seasons definitely saw a mentality creep into the side that Harry & Sonny were the only players who would score, and while a lot of that came down to tactical choices rather than them doing a hard carry of the team like the Keane/Berbatov pairing did, to move forward we definitely need a few of the squad to realise that they need to step up and chip in with goals - especially if Sonny continues to not bang them in like he used to or Richy has a cow's ass/banjo approach in front of goal
In the window after the CL final we signed Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon. That was after the stadium opened too. That's actually the window that did the damage and was nothing to do with the stadium distraction.
I would be very happy with some multi billionaire who made their fortune ethically buying ENIC out, paying off the stadium loan and putting in 500m for new players. I would be very unhappy to the point of not renewing my ticket if ENIC sold to someone like the Newcastle owners. Your point that we have no influence over this is what tips me towards the status quo as I think ENIC selling up is much more likely to get the second outcome than the first.
The issue with that window was it underlined how our approach to players had changed, which TBH was likely the case starting with when we signed Lucas, as we weren't looking to sign untapped potential and instead were bringing in players who we believed were already reaching their potential and paying the increase in fees and wages that came with it This ties in to the various players we were linked with but passed over, starting with Maddison when he was at both Coventry and Norwich, but really kicking into high gear with the likes of Eze, Kim Min-jae et al passed over because we had managers who wanted results immediately and players that could do that
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Do you not want that of all Spurs managers ?? Or you do you expect the club to perpetually churn the squad until a decent combo emerges ??
Well it’s a bit of both, isn’t it? Managers need good players or players with potential that they can coach to improve. You tell me what you think Ange can do with players such as Dier, Sanchez, Richarlison, Lo Celso etc.
1. GLC might be redeemable. Richarlison is all about getting composure and self-confidence. 2. What about those players in the the 2022-23 squad not in the above list ?? Do you not think the new coaches/manager cannot raise their game ??
Depends on how you’d define redeemable. He’s our 5th or 6th choice midfielder and cost us £42m. He’ll never replace any of the current three in the XI, nor Bentancur when he returns, so at best he’ll push ahead of one of Skipp or Hojbjerg. Richarlison is a bottom half/ relegation calibre striker, with or without confidence. No I don’t believe players such as Sessegnon, Ndombele, Emerson for example will see their game’s raised. They’ve been here long enough to show no signs of promise than can be coached to improve. Edit: we also saw Tuesday night most of these squad players just aren’t good enough.
Richy's issue is he's already starting to look like Ange's Plan B, where he brings on somebody good in the air and rains crosses into the area The other night where Perisic aimed a cross onto his forehead like a laser did look uncannily like that
