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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by remembercolinlee, Feb 1, 2017.

  1. LockStock

    LockStock Well-Known Member

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    The stadium is best in class for bringing in income, aside from match day revenue. So, we should be, provided people buy tickets to these events, in a better financial position than most clubs.

    Arsenal regressed because they sold their best players, ironically. Then they had average players on inflated wages. Something that is against Levy's religion.

    I agree with you though, but you do have to have the money in the first place to be able to spend it wisely. Let's hope some wisdom comes from somewhere.
     
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  2. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I don’t think Levy doesn’t care. I do believe he wants what’s best for Spurs but I do also think he’s not making good enough decisions and he’s trying to do so much nowadays that the mistakes keep piling up.

    A new stadium provides better tools but you’ve still got to know how to use them.
     
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    As I always say when this **** comes up, Arsenal lost their way when David Dein left.
    His job got folded into Wenger's other responsibilities and it was too much for one man, so the whole thing collapsed.
    They vastly overspent on contracts for mediocre players, failed to stay on top of squad maintenance and turned into a meme.
     
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  4. The Huddlefro

    The Huddlefro Well-Known Member

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    I agree with your general point but I think a massive issue we have is that we have plenty of dross that over-earn at our club. It’s a massive factor as to why we’ve struggled to move on squad players the last few years.
     
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  5. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I’m not sure about that.

    Ndombele’s on £200k a week, which is parity with Kane. Toby’s new deal is worth £150k a week. If you look at the majority of this squad in fact barring about 5 or 6, most are earning more than their worth.
     
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    Yes, but the wage levels have been vastly different. We have no Ozil, on the bench earning £300k+ per week with other players trying to get similar money and leaving as a result like Ramsey. Kane is our biggest earner. Levy is a very shrewd guy.

    Remember, that's what they used to say about us. "Well Tottenham don't pay the wages, other clubs will pay." Now they find other reasons to fire shots at us.

    I think the real reason we haven't been able to move certain players on is that they aren't very good.<laugh>

    Plus, purse strings have generally tightened over the last few seasons. Coutinho level money is no longer being thrown about.
     
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    https://www.spotrac.com/epl/rankings/weekly/
     
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    There is no doubt Levy has made some wrong football decisions but all clubs do it's the nature of football. Surely emperors new clothes was invented by football. Missing out on Grealish and Bruno Fernandez are two recent ones that we appear to have made some very poor decisons with. I am very doubtful about the merits of Ndombele for example but these are all opinions I have no doubt if we saw these processes from the inside we might think differently. The main point for me is that we have a chairman who makes very good financial decisions for the club and that's crucial as we will remember from Spurs past. We also have a chairman who does care about the football. That may not be the best thing because clearly he is no Harry Redknapp when it come to spotting player values, but then we do have scouts who should be helping him so it's not all down to one man. Although I hated Jose's time at Spurs I don't think you can blame a chairman who employs the guy with the best record of trophy winning in the world. He's obviously aware of this trophy need for the modern fan and player.
     
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  9. Spurlock

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    Are we over the ESL debacle then and back to pumping Levy?

    I’m still up for hedging my bets with a new owners after supporting ENICs vision of the club for the last 20 years.

    it’s a vision I don’t follow and it’s a vision full of broken promises to individuals and collectives.
     
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    This all points to bring Harry back as manager. <laugh>
     
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  11. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I'm sure too. <laugh>

    That's not why I posted it though. Who, aside from Ndombele whom we already know we have differing opinions of, is earning more than they are worth?

    Look at the comparisons with other teams players. Even your favourite Harry Winks is on a relatively modest wage. <laugh>
     
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  13. The Huddlefro

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    Yeah we don’t have an Ozil but per the link you shared - look at Lamela, Sissoko, Moura, Aurier. It’s no wonder we’ve struggled to shift them because they all know they’re not getting that payday somewhere else at their ages and with their records on the pitch. Even Alli has rightly or wrongly barely played this season and picked up 100k a week.

    Shifting squad players has been a massive issue for us and part of that is the club not being willing to cut losses on transfer fees but we’ve also priced players out of moves on wages. If they’re happy to accept a place on the bench then they’re never going to move for less money. They’re not very good, you’re right, but they’re over-earning at Spurs despite that, and it’s a huge issue.
     
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  14. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    That’s the thing, his decisions aren’t without ambition or good intent but they’ve just pretty much been all wrong for practically 5 years now. So that’s why, whilst the stadium will provide bigger and better resources, if you don’t utilise those resources well enough it counts for nothing.

    As for scouts, we do actually have decent ones but those in charge of the final decision process (Levy/ Hitchen/ Manager) have made the wrong choices. I’ve pointed out a few times in the past that many of Leicester’s signings were on our radar, some well before Leicester became interested.

    Maguire, Soyuncu, Maddison, Perreira, Castagne and Tielemans were all players we’d watched but never went in for them. The ones in bold were essentially rejected in favour of Sanchez, Aurier, Doherty and Ndombele respectively.
     
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  15. Spurf

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    Where do you get this sort of info from? ITK?
     
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    Yeah, I think you're just a hater. <laugh>

    In comparison to players at other clubs, and considering our profile as a club, I don't think these players are wildly overpaid.

    If there are no buyers, you can't sell, regardless of price. Who has actually come in for Sissoko, or any that you mentioned, since we got him and couldn't negotiate the fees down?

    Aurier is the one that I remember a bid coming in for, and he may well be gone this window.

    I also don't think these players are bad squad players. They have their moments, we just need stronger first team players, which we have in certain positions, just not in defence and CM.
     
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  17. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I don't think you can essentially compare with other teams' players because their clubs have different resources to our own.

    For instance Ozil earning £350k at Arsenal, Vardy earning £140k at Leicester, Zaha earning £130k at Palace are the equivalents to Kane and Ndombele earning £200k at Tottenham. All players are the top earners at their clubs. From those, we know that Ozil and Ndombele certainly aren't worth what they are/ were being paid, where as Vardy, Zaha and Kane are as all are their club's best players and who the crowds (when allowed) turn up to see.

    Lamela, Sissoko and Moura are all on £80k a week. Moura's probably the only one that just about justifies that amount and even he is incredibly inconsistent.

    Despite Spotracs claims of £0, we know Toby is on £150k a week, does he represent being the second best paid player at the club (Or third if you include Bale's loan wages)? Not a chance.

    Many of our players don't represent the value their contract pays.
     
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  18. The Huddlefro

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    Maybe I just am a hater haha.

    But almost certainly nobody has. But that’s because they’re not good enough players for most clubs to shell out those wages for them, and the clubs who could wouldn’t touch them with a bargepole. And the players are happy with their roles in the squad earning a better wage than they could elsewhere.

    Just as there has to be a buyer to sell a player, the player also has to want to sign the deal with their new club. If they don’t want to and can’t be persuaded to by threats of a lack of game time then the move doesn’t happen.
     
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  19. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    The same way you knew the info that we messed up not signing Grealish and Fernandes.
     
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  20. Spurf

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    I think I got that from you <laugh>
     
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