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InBiscanWeTrust said:
I honestly don’t think they are even things these days. I know there is all this talk of players will forfeit their loyalty bonus if they hand in official one etc but tbh I’ve never heard that is actually true and confirmed anywhere, seems to me to be a myth that’s come about as when was last time you ever heard a player do it?
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Ben Foster talked about it on a podcast
 
So newcastle pushed him and called him a liar until they got their statement and then decide that as he made a statement they cannot sell.

Sounds like excuses to me.

They are threading a thin line in stating nobody gave a commitment to sell him this summer.

The praises made as I understand it were aboit a new contract. That's the promise broken.

After that he can have told them anything he wanted and they didn't have to say yes.

In that case both parties are "correct" in their statements but neither are right in their actions.

As I said way back when the 120mil thing broke that he's too old to be paying that.

He will now be 27 before he's fit lol.

Stay away.
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
So newcastle pushed him and called him a liar until they got their statement and then decide that as he made a statement they cannot sell.

Sounds like excuses to me.

They are threading a thin line in stating nobody gave a commitment to sell him this summer.

The praises made as I understand it were aboit a new contract. That's the promise broken.

After that he can have told them anything he wanted and they didn't have to say yes.

In that case both parties are "correct" in their statements but neither are right in their actions.

As I said way back when the 120mil thing broke that he's too old to be paying that.

He will now be 27 before he's fit lol.

Stay away.
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It's all too messy for me now. Newcastle have said it ain't happening - fine.
 
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mighty_stevie_g said:
It's all too messy for me now. Newcastle have said it ain't happening - fine.
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Im happy with that.

My original point was resale value as he will be 26 in September and 27 at the start of next season. A 5 year deal for 150mil.and he's worthless at the end.

Wirtz makes sense as you get 3 yesrs at 100mil. He is either world class or not but you can make a call in 3 years to try renew or sell and you'll get a good chunk back. If he's wropd class he will still be worth it.

Ekitike makes sense at his age too. 23 last June so ready to explode and 69mil is going to be something you get back.

What people ignore is amortisation is not a bill you pay. It's an accounting tool to write down the value over the contract and write it off against tax. (If you make profits)

As such nunez cost whatever 64mil and we sold 3 yesrs later for 48.

So simple math, 64/5*3 = 38.4mil written down. We take back 48.

A small accounting profit but we paid less tax and say we ran at a loss with these amortisation counting for 80 off million a year.

Isak is just not for lfc. He's for a Chelsea or a utd where they don't care about these things.
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
Im happy with that.

My original point was resale value as he will be 26 in September and 27 at the start of next season. A 5 year deal for 150mil.and he's worthless at the end.

Wirtz makes sense as you get 3 yesrs at 100mil. He is either world class or not but you can make a call in 3 years to try renew or sell and you'll get a good chunk back. If he's wropd class he will still be worth it.

Ekitike makes sense at his age too. 23 last June so ready to explode and 69mil is going to be something you get back.

What people ignore is amortisation is not a bill you pay. It's an accounting tool to write down the value over the contract and write it off against tax. (If you make profits)

As such nunez cost whatever 64mil and we sold 3 yesrs later for 48.

So simple math, 64/5*3 = 38.4mil written down. We take back 48.

A small accounting profit but we paid less tax and say we ran at a loss with these amortisation counting for 80 off million a year.

Isak is just not for lfc. He's for a Chelsea or a utd where they don't care about these things.
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Whether or not Isak is the right player or not, I have no comment on.

Players are assets. Your asset can increase in value giving you a return on investment (often common with younger players - see Elliott) or they can can win you things, increasing the brand equity, therefor the value of your club. What is important is the return on investment. Not what they will be worth alone at the end of their contract. To an investor, it’s ROCI (return on capital invested), this is all that matters really.
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
So newcastle pushed him and called him a liar until they got their statement and then decide that as he made a statement they cannot sell.

Sounds like excuses to me.

They are threading a thin line in stating nobody gave a commitment to sell him this summer.

The praises made as I understand it were aboit a new contract. That's the promise broken.

After that he can have told them anything he wanted and they didn't have to say yes.

In that case both parties are "correct" in their statements but neither are right in their actions.

As I said way back when the 120mil thing broke that he's too old to be paying that.

He will now be 27 before he's fit lol.

Stay away.
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I agree we should leave Isak there and use the money to unearth the new suarez
 
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Sucky said:
I agree we should leave Isak there and use the money to unearth the new suarez
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I'll take a new salah instead ;)

Hell I'd take the new diaz at this point.

Gakpo (standing out as not really at the same level)
Ekitike (will miss some)
Salah (aged

Then
chiesa (can't run yet)
? Forward That needed imo to play multiple positions.
Kids like ngumoha

Isak can only play one position
 
It’s all very messy the problem is I don’t think we have a plan b if we don’t get Isak and we are light up front after losing 4 (including Doak even though he didn’t play but he would have been an option) and only signing one and hoping an academy player can step up.

The other side is are Newcastle making it harder to sign players in the future if they see what happened to Isak will it put ambitious players off going there.
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
I'll take a new salah instead ;)

Hell I'd take the new diaz at this point.

Gakpo (standing out as not really at the same level)
Ekitike (will miss some)
Salah (aged

Then
chiesa (can't run yet)
? Forward That needed imo to play multiple positions.
Kids like ngumoha

Isak can only play one position
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Rio is better than Diaz.

You'll see
 
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Bindiana said:
It’s all very messy the problem is I don’t think we have a plan b if we don’t get Isak and we are light up front after losing 4 (including Doak even though he didn’t play but he would have been an option) and only signing one and hoping an academy player can step up.

The other side is are Newcastle making it harder to sign players in the future if they see what happened to Isak will it put ambitious players off going there.
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Dans still with us or on loan?
. I swear he was going Imon loan to Sunderland or maybe I just imagined that
 
SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING said:
Whether or not Isak is the right player or not, I have no comment on.

Players are assets. Your asset can increase in value giving you a return on investment (often common with younger players - see Elliott) or they can can win you things, increasing the brand equity, therefor the value of your club. What is important is the return on investment. Not what they will be worth alone at the end of their contract. To an investor, it’s ROCI (return on capital invested), this is all that matters really.
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Maybe the Kop can get a chant going "Come on Assets". <laugh>

[HASHTAG]#cold[/HASHTAG]
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
I'll take a new salah instead ;)

Hell I'd take the new diaz at this point.

Gakpo (standing out as not really at the same level)
Ekitike (will miss some)
Salah (aged

Then
chiesa (can't run yet)
? Forward That needed imo to play multiple positions.
Kids like ngumoha

Isak can only play one position
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I'd take a Suarez over a Salah any day.
Not for the bitey stuff obviously, but for his all-round ability. Mo get goals, which is brilliant of course, but he has a lot of indifferent periods, and I don't recall Gnasher having many of those.
Mo's goals tend to come from a small set of situations, and he misses a lot, whereas Suarez could score from anywhere, and could probably hit the net from outside of the ground.
Not putting Mo down - he's been integral to our recent success - but Suarez (annoying little rat that he was) is probably the most gifted forward I've ever seen play for us, and that's quite something given the list of great players we've had.
 
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saintanton said:
I'd take a Suarez over a Salah any day.
Not for the bitey stuff obviously, but for his all-round ability. Mo get goals, which is brilliant of course, but he has a lot of indifferent periods, and I don't recall Gnasher having many of those.
Mo's goals tend to come from a small set of situations, and he misses a lot, whereas Suarez could score from anywhere, and could probably hit the net from outside of the ground.
Not putting Mo down - he's been integral to our recent success - but Suarez (annoying little rat that he was) is probably the most gifted forward I've ever seen play for us, and that's quite something given the list of great players we've had.
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Suarez or salah.

Zero contest.

Now I'd take the first year salah over the first full year suarez too. Salah was blistering and scored more goals.

He's lasted ages and reinvented himself as well.

Suarez had inspiration and madness in equal quanities so we got on good season - 5 games due to ban and little else.

If we got another salah we'd win loads.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Suarez or salah.

Zero contest.

Now I'd take the first year salah over the first full year suarez too. Salah was blistering and scored more goals.

He's lasted ages and reinvented himself as well.

Suarez had inspiration and madness in equal quanities so we got on good season - 5 games due to ban and little else.

If we got another salah we'd win loads.
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It was an 8-game ban. Probably best not to shake that tree, as I still have the 'Independent' panel's tragi-comic report on the kangaroo court on a memstick somewhere.

And... relax. :steam:
 
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