Transfer Rumours Transfer Rumours thread

[SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING]

not seen a huge amount of him but from what i have seen i agree .Just find the expected cost too high for potential and we all know of young players who it turned out peaked at 18 / 19 .

for context, Bellingham went to Dortmund for £25 plus £10m of adding (and a sell on clause I think). He was 17. Lavia is 2 years older, played PL football and the market for midfielders is inflated because Rice is the benchmark.

I guess at some point, we have to sh*t or get off the pan. £35m with £15m of easily achievable add ons for appearances and CL qualification. Then move onto the next signing….

 

[Solid Air]

for context, Bellingham went to Dortmund for £25 plus £10m of adding (and a sell on clause I think). He was 17. Lavia is 2 years older, played PL football and the market for midfielders is inflated because Rice is the benchmark.

I guess at some point, we have to sh*t or get off the pan. £35m with £15m of easily achievable add ons for appearances and CL qualification. Then move onto the next signing….

i just find the fees these days difficult to take in.
Would say Bellingham looked pretty much a cert to carry on improving as the progression from 15 to 17 at Brum was clear to see

 

[organic red]

for context, Bellingham went to Dortmund for £25 plus £10m of adding (and a sell on clause I think). He was 17. Lavia is 2 years older, played PL football and the market for midfielders is inflated because Rice is the benchmark.

I guess at some point, we have to sh*t or get off the pan. £35m with £15m of easily achievable add ons for appearances and CL qualification. Then move onto the next signing….

Citys cut has to be taken into consideration,this is why its £50m

 

[SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING]

Citys cut has to be taken into consideration,this is why its £50m

city’s cut will be on the profit, not the entire fee. So if the difference is £10m and they have a 30% sell on clause,, their ‘cut’ would be £3m.

 

[organic red]

city’s cut will be on the profit, not the entire fee. So if the difference is £10m and they have a 30% sell on clause,, their ‘cut’ would be £3m.

OK,I think Soton payed £19m for Lavia......the sell on clause will still inflate what Soton demand though will it?

 

[SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING]

OK,I think Soton payed £19m for Lavia......the sell on clause will still inflate what Soton demand though will it?

Potentially, yes, but not by 30% of the total fee. It’s a big difference and I have no idea how that works with things like add ons tbh. Nevertheless, the profit for Southampton will be significant at anything over £35m.

 

[Solid Air]

OK,I think Soton payed £19m for Lavia......the sell on clause will still inflate what Soton demand though will it?

City have a £40m buy back clause and talk is Saints want more than that .

 

[SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING]

City have a £40m buy back clause and talk is Saints want more than that .

If City don’t want him back at £40m, he’s not worth £40m - we are at a massive disadvantage because we are desperate - saints need to sell but there’s a long time to go in the window. Get the player on board and hope he’s got his heart set on a move to Anfield - can’t really buy another midfielder because Lavia will see his chances of playing reduce - catch 22

 

[Zanjinho]

Potentially, yes, but not by 30% of the total fee. It’s a big difference and I have no idea how that works with things like add ons tbh. Nevertheless, the profit for Southampton will be significant at anything over £35m.

Only inflates the fee they'd like to receive. Doesn't mean the buying club will pay it.

 

[organic red]

long time to go in the window.

When does the window 'slam shut'?

 

[SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING]

When does the window 'slam shut'?

Sept 1st. Had to google it you lazy bugger

 

[organic red]

Sept 1st. Had to google it you lazy bugger

Thats like two weeks after the season starts,I thought there was talk of closing the window before the season starts iirc.

 

[THE FOOL]

Ali / Keller

Taa / Bradley
konate / matip
Vvd / Gomez
Robbo / Tsimikas

Thiago / Bajcetic
Szobo / Elliott
Mac / Jones

Salah / Doak
Gakpo / Jota
Diaz / Nunez

Not horrendous but does show a couple key players were missing a first/second choice. RB and that DM role. But all those 2nd choice players can at least step in at a decent level and are generally always available bar maybe Matip.

Think 2 more players is fine. Remember we’re in the Europa this year so the 2nd choice will get a lot more game time there where can rest the first team unlike in the CL so in theory means can play the first team in key prem games more often this year baring injuries.

That list makes feel worse rather than better.

The second 11 is made up of kids and crocks, apart from the forwards.

Defensive cover is horrendous.

Midfield cover is slightly better than horrendous.

It would take a couple of injuries and we would be in serious ****e.

Paper thin

 

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It would take a couple of injuries and we would be in serious ****e.

Though its not like us to have an injury crisi...................err...........hmmm

 

[SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING]

Thats like two weeks after the season starts,I thought there was talk of closing the window before the season starts iirc.

google says no

 

[THE FOOL]

Though its not like us to have an injury crisi...................err...........hmmm

I cant remember the last time we had an injury crisis. Oh sorry, no, I cant remember a time when we didn't have an injury crisis, that's right.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

The team is where it is at because we have 50mil a season to spend and focused on forwards.

I personally think we are far too loyal to squad players but equally what can we say when they deliver a near quad as their last hurrah.

Matip is 2 years too long now.
Ox should have been gone 2 seasons ago any fee would do
Keita was difficult due to wage, should have cut and run after 2 seasons imo.
Gomez would be gone at just about any other big club with his form but his injury was major.

The reality is we are looking at an u21 defence and midfield rather than 2 for every spot but we only have 50mil a season until fsg are paid back every penny for the stands.

Add 10mil revenue from new anfield but it all goes to repayments.
There's 4 more years of 13mil payments to fsg for main stand (2016 to 2020 then they didn't demand payment over covid)

When others can magic money up and small clubs can seemingly demand any number based on what the magic money says it does look like we need to cut our cloth to measure.

Forget the cups. It's all about 4th and Europe.

My cup team is basically baby reds.

Kelleher
Bradley koumetio quansah chambers
Elliott Morton clark
Doak gordon frauendorf

Yes there's a few senior squaddies who will take over but a few of the above are going to be relied on imo

 

[THE FOOL]

The team is where it is at because we have 50mil a season to spend and focused on forwards.

I personally think we are far too loyal to squad players but equally what can we say when they deliver a near quad as their last hurrah.

Matip is 2 years too long now.
Ox should have been gone 2 seasons ago any fee would do
Keita was difficult due to wage, should have cut and run after 2 seasons imo.
Gomez would be gone at just about any other big club with his form but his injury was major.

The reality is we are looking at an u21 defence and midfield rather than 2 for every spot but we only have 50mil a season until fsg are paid back every penny for the stands.

Add 10mil revenue from new anfield but it all goes to repayments.
There's 4 more years of 13mil payments to fsg for main stand (2016 to 2020 then they didn't demand payment over covid)

When others can magic money up and small clubs can seemingly demand any number based on what the magic money says it does look like we need to cut our cloth to measure.

Forget the cups. It's all about 4th and Europe.

My cup team is basically baby reds.

Kelleher
Bradley koumetio quansah chambers
Elliott Morton clark
Doak gordon frauendorf

Yes there's a few senior squaddies who will take over but a few of the above are going to be relied on imo

If this is the case, then we must gamble more on signings.

It's all very well wanting to get the right lad in, but when you do he's now surrounded by kids or injuries waiting to happen.

From an excellent transfer strategy to a debacle in a few short years.

We've been by far to loyal, by far to lapsidasical in our transfers.

We either gamble, divy up the cash or suffer what I can only see as a very hard season coming up.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

If City don’t want him back at £40m, he’s not worth £40m - we are at a massive disadvantage because we are desperate - saints need to sell but there’s a long time to go in the window. Get the player on board and hope he’s got his heart set on a move to Anfield - can’t really buy another midfielder because Lavia will see his chances of playing reduce - catch 22

Why do saints need to sell?

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

That list makes feel worse rather than better.

The second 11 is made up of kids and crocks, apart from the forwards.

Defensive cover is horrendous.

Midfield cover is slightly better than horrendous.

It would take a couple of injuries and we would be in serious ****e.

Paper thin

Do the same for any side bar city though.

united

moubt / mctom
fernandes / Eriksen
Casemiro / fred
rashford / garnachi
martial / ??
Anthony / sancho

arsenal
havertz / jorginho
rice / partay
odegard /smith-rowe
saka / ??
jesus / nketiah
Martinelli / trossard

not like they have incredible 2nd 11s.