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[johnsonsbaby]

Not entirely true. Prob a ceiling but can def improve someone’s speed with coaching. Technique, right exercises to increase power in the legs and core etc

A sprint researcher called Thomas Haugen did extensive research into whether it's possible to coach speed specifically in football players. The outcome was that once a player reaches 20 years of age, there is no further development in sprint velocity. So Elliott isn't going to get any faster.

 

[Solid Air]

Anyway the ****er will probably sign a new contract tomorrow.

club & Home grown so worth keeping from their pov thoiugh they really really need to offload some players both from a financial perspective but also to thin out their bloated squad .

 

[johnsonsbaby]

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You can see how he was improving there and 11 goals 10 assists from midfield would be brilliant for us.

Something has gone wrong for him this season but if we can get him at a good price I'd back Klopp to get him playing again.

You may have just converted me.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I'd be inclined to agree. He's raw, hugely talented but there are concerns over attitude ... he'd be one for the future but we need players who are more experienced in my opinion.

Macallister or Caicedo as the LCM.

Ugarte as the DM

Jude as the RCM

Thanks

Well you'll get one big present and a surprise.... IF you are a good boy and shut the **** up about jan molby being fat.

(as my mam used to say at Christmas)

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

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You can see how he was improving there and 11 goals 10 assists from midfield would be brilliant for us.

Something has gone wrong for him this season but if we can get him at a good price I'd back Klopp to get him playing again.

IMO he's been sent to coventry.

this is all about whether we think he is

a) the next delle alli
b) the next ray kennedy

if he is out of their team cos he isn't arsed ok but if he's just getting shafted by the cheslea madness and its all about contracts then he can deliver massively imo.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

A sprint researcher called Thomas Haugen did extensive research into whether it's possible to coach speed specifically in football players. The outcome was that once a player reaches 20 years of age, there is no further development in sprint velocity. So Elliott isn't going to get any faster.

Agreed, Elliot won't get any quicker. The kid is definitely talented but it's a case of trying to find his best position and unfortunately, I don't think it exists at LFC.

He is definitely not a RCM and Klopp needs to stop using him there as it's not doing him any favours. Curtis Jones is not a world beater but is far better suited.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Good post. Disagree on two things about midfielders, hoping one isn't Mount and Elliott isn't better in midfield. You can't coach speed otherwise he could be Salah's understudy.

Elliott is never going to be the next salah but he is an rw type. like harry wilson. not got the pace but has attributes

mount with respect cannot be judged off cheslea shoving him forward then calling him tactically poor at defending. they put him up there as a 10 or a winger almost and thats tier business.

who here thought wijnaldum was a great lw at newcastle? or 10? gyet there he was as a quasi 6 for us (and like at psg)

Mount would suit klopp down to the ground in terms of pressing. absolutely suit him perfectly.

 

[THE FOOL]

Agreed, Elliot won't get any quicker. The kid is definitely talented but it's a case of trying to find his best position and unfortunately, I don't think it exists at LFC.

He is definitely not a RCM and Klopp needs to stop using him there as it's not doing him any favours. Curtis Jones is not a world beater but is far better suited.

Hmmm,

I'd like to understand the reasoning behind you thinking Curtis us better suited than Elliott.

Both very similar, but I'd put Elliott at the level above Curtis.

I'm not sure (other than mitos absolute hammering of the lad at every opportunity) where the idea us he can't play right midfield. Especially considering he's still incredibly young.

He's been pur best midfielder this year by some way.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

Hmmm,

I'd like to understand the reasoning behind you thinking Curtis us better suited than Elliott.

Both very similar, but I'd put Elliott at the level above Curtis.

I'm not sure (other than mitos absolute hammering of the lad at every opportunity) where the idea us he can't play right midfield. Especially considering he's still incredibly young.

He's been pur best midfielder this year by some way.

Neither for me are good enough to be long term CM options IMO. Jones is better off the ball and in winning duels whereas Elliot is a liability off the ball - he's not quick enough to cover ground, and not strong enough in the challenge. He is Talented on the ball. Tactically, doesn't have the awareness either. He could be coached by why coach someone who is more naturally suited in a more attacking role?

I really like Harvey but I feel he is better suited as a number 10 IMO.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Neither for me are good enough to be long term CM options IMO. Jones is better off the ball and in winning duels whereas Elliot is a liability off the ball - he's not quick enough to cover ground, and not strong enough in the challenge. He is Talented on the ball. Tactically, doesn't have the awareness either. He could be coached by why coach someone who is more naturally suited in a more attacking role?

I really like Harvey but I feel he is better suited as a number 10 IMO.

I think you've summed the two up here.

Harvey elliott doesn't actually get a tackle in, he works hard to get close and then the ball is moved on again and he might make an interception but you have to sometimes get in teams faces and get actual phyiscal contact to slow games etc.

He's not that player.

Henderson can kick folk. fabinho can kick folk. this is not something i see harvey getting into his head personally.

the funny thing is the refs told us before the prem started physical contact was allowed. up and down the prem we are seeing hpyical bullying going on. burnemoth have recovered by getting stuck in. you can actually make a tackle in the prem and get away with it!

We don't seem to get that AT ALL.

 

[THE FOOL]

Neither for me are good enough to be long term CM options IMO. Jones is better off the ball and in winning duels whereas Elliot is a liability off the ball - he's not quick enough to cover ground, and not strong enough in the challenge. He is Talented on the ball. Tactically, doesn't have the awareness either. He could be coached by why coach someone who is more naturally suited in a more attacking role?

I really like Harvey but I feel he is better suited as a number 10 IMO.

He turned 20 about a week ago.

I agree he's more inclined to go forward, but people are looking for us to sign Mason mount who also wants to go forward.

Additionally we've moaned for years that our midfield was too workman like, we have an exciting young prospect that's incredibly good going forward but we'd prefer another henderson?

We need to evolve as a team, but it seems the idea of moving past the functional midfielder is a step to far.

 

[THE FOOL]

I think you've summed the two up here.

Harvey elliott doesn't actually get a tackle in, he works hard to get close and then the ball is moved on again and he might make an interception but you have to sometimes get in teams faces and get actual phyiscal contact to slow games etc.

He's not that player.

Henderson can kick folk. fabinho can kick folk. this is not something i see harvey getting into his head personally.

the funny thing is the refs told us before the prem started physical contact was allowed. up and down the prem we are seeing hpyical bullying going on. burnemoth have recovered by getting stuck in. you can actually make a tackle in the prem and get away with it!

We don't seem to get that AT ALL.

If he's closing down, but the defender has an easy ball out, surely that's the systems fault?

Why isn't salah or gakpo or one of the senior players covering the outball?

It's like moaning at trent for being caught up field, it's what he's been asked to do, either someone should be covering or the system isn't working.

Neither us the players issue.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

If he's closing down, but the defender has an easy ball out, surely that's the systems fault?

Why isn't salah or gakpo or one of the senior players covering the outball?

It's like moaning at trent for being caught up field, it's what he's been asked to do, either someone should be covering or the system isn't working.

Neither us the players issue.

well there is that and I don't want to hammer the kid as usual but there's "getting close" and "getting close"

he buzzes about but theres not tackle at the end, he stand 2 yards off and lts the guy pass it so realy its just going through the routine but the aim of actually winning that ball is not there.

To win it you either make the interception or you hit the guy and force the issue.

 

[Zanjinho]

Hmmm,

I'd like to understand the reasoning behind you thinking Curtis us better suited than Elliott.

Both very similar, but I'd put Elliott at the level above Curtis.

I'm not sure (other than mitos absolute hammering of the lad at every opportunity) where the idea us he can't play right midfield. Especially considering he's still incredibly young.

He's been pur best midfielder this year by some way.

Because haters are going to hate mate. No matter what they do going forward, Jimmy and MITO have written them off and there is no return now they're on that list.

 

[Solid Air]

Personally think our squad is much more suited to something like 4-2-3-1 as both Elliott and Carvalho are more AM or outright forwards than central midfielders and then of course we have Diaz , Gakpo , Nunez , Jota , Salah .

 

[Zanjinho]

Personally think our squad is much more suited to something like 4-2-3-1 as both Elliott and Carvalho are more AM or outright forwards than central midfielders and then of course we have Diaz , Gakpo , Nunez , Jota , Salah .

Or squad suits a 4222

 

[Solid Air]

Or squad suits a 4222

well as i said "something like" and that is something like 4-2-3-1 as easy to switch between the 2 i agree

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Agreed, Elliot won't get any quicker. The kid is definitely talented but it's a case of trying to find his best position and unfortunately, I don't think it exists at LFC.

He is definitely not a RCM and Klopp needs to stop using him there as it's not doing him any favours. Curtis Jones is not a world beater but is far better suited.

I think he has a future with us just not sure on his best position. Remember he was putting in some great performances up until the bad ankle injury. He's a massive Liverpool fan so will always be fully committed and that's the kind of player you want at the club.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Personally think our squad is much more suited to something like 4-2-3-1 as both Elliott and Carvalho are more AM or outright forwards than central midfielders and then of course we have Diaz , Gakpo , Nunez , Jota , Salah .

much better point than the tired insults of z.

 

[THE FOOL]

well there is that and I don't want to hammer the kid as usual but there's "getting close" and "getting close"

he buzzes about but theres not tackle at the end, he stand 2 yards off and lts the guy pass it so realy its just going through the routine but the aim of actually winning that ball is not there.

To win it you either make the interception or you hit the guy and force the issue.

No.

That's not correct at all.

He was tasked with starting the press, just like firmino used to, the point of that press is not to win the ball, its to hurry the defender, if the defender looks up and has 3 lads stood waiting with no one around him, that's not Elliott issue, it's nunez, who is quite frankly ****e at it. Salah not being arsed, or gakpo not knowing what to.

I'm unsure why in a malfunctioning midfield and forward line you've decided one of our best performers is ****e.

It's mystifying