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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I believe we do have cash but Klopp and Ljinders were hell bent on waiting for their number 1 targets and refused to budge from them. That was certainly the case in the summer but hopefully they are now more willing to move to Plan B if the Plan A fails.
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Hopefully that's the case :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
moneyball by its nature looks risky but is actually risk adverse.

moneyball targets a player that's not necessarily the hottest property going or a superstar but has a record/data showing their performance above their value.

when players have data and a record this value is easier to see.

when we won't take Enzo Fernández but Benfica will as we want to see how he copes in the big leagues or caicedo to Brighton then we are looking for more data than moneyball.

we are looking for sure things.
 
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Chelsea close to signing Joao Felix on loan......fifth most expensive player of all time............never been impressed
 
Treble said:
Watched him against Barca last night.

He was ****e.
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He’s hardly in a team where he can showcase his talents though, is he? A player like him should never end up under Simeone imo….I’ve no idea if he has what it takes to succeed in a more attacking team in the PL tbh; he could be great of flop….will be interesting to watch.
 
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SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING said:
He’s hardly in a team where he can showcase his talents though, is he? A player like him should never end up under Simeone imo….I’ve no idea if he has what it takes to succeed in a more attacking team in the PL tbh; he could be great of flop….will be interesting to watch.
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Tbf I did think similar last night. At Arsenal.

Individually though I don't think he's a match winner.
 
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SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING said:
He’s hardly in a team where he can showcase his talents though, is he? A player like him should never end up under Simeone imo….I’ve no idea if he has what it takes to succeed in a more attacking team in the PL tbh; he could be great of flop….will be interesting to watch.
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TBF, there is a very impressive list of strikers that have been at A.Madrid under Simeone
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
how do we have 400mil to spend?

this is this old chestnut of amortisation again as if no money ever changed hands:

We confuse how players transfers are expensed to the accounts with cash flow.

example of gakpo. lets call it 42mil over 6 years

this becomes 7mil per year over 6 years - this is BOOK VALUE and appears in the profit and loss account (which is exactly why juve are in trouble for cooking the books btw)

the reality however is that when we start talking about cash flow and looking at where these player transfers actually go then things change.

PSV are now a debtor on our books, i've no idea when the 42mil actually changes hands and neither does anyone else. it could be up front it could be in two instalments, it clear has add ons included as well. however these will inevitably appear in the debtors column

when you then consider all of the wages we properly account for (unlike some clubs) and how other clubs have now ZERO debts (aka city and Chelsea) then they have far better looking cash flow depsite playing massive fees.

in short its all well and good saying we have 400mil before hitting some threshold (which one??) but in reality the club has to pay the wages and the debts of the organisation and that takes cash flow and liquidity. 13mil per year back to fsg, 70odd mil for anfield road end, 50mil capital for kirkby to be depreciated and so forth and so on.

400mil simply doesn't exist (as solid said down the back of the sofa)

I wish it did.

we have to look to the arsenal example. they are historically sitting on cash since 2004 and wenger getting absolutely insanely invested in not spending money. they had the highest of all cash balances due to this policy that wenger continued and it was like watching scrooge counting his pennies.

They then released the beats under edu etc and have been systematically sloshing that available cash out the door on all sorts for 3 or 4 years. they also absorbed all the covid losses.

we've never had that cash and certainly don't have it now. The rivals don't seem to give a flying **** about such issues and magic revenue form thin air to justify whaetver they like.
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Okay, you Tobes and Astro used to argue this stuff till the cows came home, and now two of those are no longer with us we'll have to just take your word for it. What you'll have to take my word for (hopefully) is that there was an article in the Echo explaining all this a year ago, and that came up with £350m figure at that time, and was updated this summer before that window's transaction.

As said, I don't think it was saying how much actual money we HAD - just how much money we could SPEND and not transgress FFP. As to how much doss we have, I keep making the point that if Chelsea can simply write off £1.5bn of what Abramovich gave them to buy players, then surely, if FSG ARE selling the club (?), then can they not lump £1bn on to the value by splashing out that much on players in this window, then whoever is buying pays that extra knowing that will have increased the value of the club AND circumvented FFP as Chelsea did? :bandit:
 
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