Agree that we are a top club but I feel there are some aspects where we dont act like one.
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Agree that we are a top club but I feel there are some aspects where we dont act like one.
The money is there, whether they are happy to spend it is another matter.
maybe but i was talking about the specifics of our player contracts .
Is it? I honestly have no idea how much real money the club has - as opposed to published figures which could mean anything - I just know we're run differently to City, Utd, PSG etc...
I've said before that I'm not convinced that we need to sell to spend atm - I think we're better off than that, but I'm referring to the massive spend almost every window by the other clubs that we see as our rivals.
We can splash out occasionally, but I don't think we can do it as consistently as they do.
I agree we should have strengthened the midfield (if possible) this time round, but the usual lot will just get three or four big signings next time and we won't keep up with that.
Seems to me this is just how it is, and we won't change it anytime soon.
And it's whether Klopp wants to spend it as well. Personally, I think the money is there but Klopp is adamant on certain signings and won't accept the back ups.
Saw a stat the other day that were the fourth most profitable club now. Don't know if that's true.
And no one is expecting us to go out and spend like City. But we're constantly being outspent by mid table team every year.
We're not broke. We're just too stubborn IMO.
We're not broke. We're just too stubborn IMO.
lets be clear here.
There are tiers of clubs. But those tiers no not really reflect the spending that goes on, simply because some clubs are willing to throw money and run up debt.
The best reference should be the deliotte revenue turnover rankings but we are seeing utterly fake revenues being allowed for Man city for example, nobody seems to care a shell company is funnelling cash in sponsorship into these clubs at all.
So this shows how man city are actively doping. their revneues have climbed and climbed since the last time they were "caught out" and really its a lot of fake money floowing in as a state company.
LFC numbers btw are not for last season they are last reported. I expect them to be higher at 600mil euos at least.
Yes real and barca sit on top as they take far more as a % of spanish TV money. Liverpool are now firmly on a par with man utd in revenue.
So think about that.
In the man utd Financial results this week the club is in 515mil debt and pulled down 40mil in case just to pay the glaziers off.
Man utd wages:
Cristiano Ronaldo £515,385
David De Gea £375,000
Jadon Sancho £350,000
Raphael Varane £340,000
Carlos Casimiro £300,000
Anthony Martial £250,000
Bruno Fernandes £240,000
Marcus Rashford £200,000
just those above 200k
Now LFC
Mohamed Salah £350,000
Virgil Van Dijk £220,000
Thiago £200,000
Trent Alexander-Arnold £180,000
Roberto Firmino £180,000
Diogo Jota £180,000
Fabinho Tavares £180,000
Darwin Núñez £180,000
I took 8 players in just to show..... same revenues in, less wages out.
What are we doing thats different? simple. Glaziers on average take 2omil a year every year out of man utd. while doing nothing round the club in investment. FSG take 12mil for 10 years to pay for main stand and LFC have paid 50mil for Kirkby and 70mil for anfield road stand.
If you want to know why we are tight... its cos we are spending the cash elsewhere.
I would now like to point to the Doping at city. I've already highlighted the fake revenue. Take a look at these declared wages and then ask why these players are not screaming to get out of there... fake wages.
Kevin De Bruyne £400,000
Erling Haaland F £375,000
Jack Grealish £300,000
John Stones £250,000
Rodrigo £220,000
Ruben Dias £160,000
Bernardo Silva £150,000
Ilkay Gundogan £140,000
There are tiers of clubs. But those tiers no not really reflect the spending that goes on, simply because some clubs are willing to throw money and run up debt.
The best reference should be the deliotte revenue turnover rankings but we are seeing utterly fake revenues being allowed for Man city for example, nobody seems to care a shell company is funnelling cash in sponsorship into these clubs at all.
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So this shows how man city are actively doping. their revneues have climbed and climbed since the last time they were "caught out" and really its a lot of fake money floowing in as a state company.
LFC numbers btw are not for last season they are last reported. I expect them to be higher at 600mil euos at least.
Yes real and barca sit on top as they take far more as a % of spanish TV money. Liverpool are now firmly on a par with man utd in revenue.
So think about that.
In the man utd Financial results this week the club is in 515mil debt and pulled down 40mil in case just to pay the glaziers off.
Man utd wages:
Cristiano Ronaldo £515,385
David De Gea £375,000
Jadon Sancho £350,000
Raphael Varane £340,000
Carlos Casimiro £300,000
Anthony Martial £250,000
Bruno Fernandes £240,000
Marcus Rashford £200,000
just those above 200k
Now LFC
Mohamed Salah £350,000
Virgil Van Dijk £220,000
Thiago £200,000
Trent Alexander-Arnold £180,000
Roberto Firmino £180,000
Diogo Jota £180,000
Fabinho Tavares £180,000
Darwin Núñez £180,000
I took 8 players in just to show..... same revenues in, less wages out.
What are we doing thats different? simple. Glaziers on average take 2omil a year every year out of man utd. while doing nothing round the club in investment. FSG take 12mil for 10 years to pay for main stand and LFC have paid 50mil for Kirkby and 70mil for anfield road stand.
If you want to know why we are tight... its cos we are spending the cash elsewhere.
I would now like to point to the Doping at city. I've already highlighted the fake revenue. Take a look at these declared wages and then ask why these players are not screaming to get out of there... fake wages.
Kevin De Bruyne £400,000
Erling Haaland F £375,000
Jack Grealish £300,000
John Stones £250,000
Rodrigo £220,000
Ruben Dias £160,000
Bernardo Silva £150,000
Ilkay Gundogan £140,000
it'll be 590mil sterling. Its been forecast for months and months. Its going to be higher than man utd's for the one year.
it won't be published til next feb
Bellingham's agent is his dad Mark, he represents both of his sons. He helped Jude make the right move to Dortmund over all the other big clubs who were after him. They appear to be doing things the right way and aren't just chasing the money. Still remains to be seen what happens with his transfer next summer.I would never try to deny that because it's true and nobody could argue (and i like to argue).
There are a few of you who seem to think you have a shot at Bellingham, the boy will be in demand and his agent will know this.
His price may be lowish because of his contract but his/his agents wage demands will be toward the top end, some will be more than willing to pay it.
I worry about players from Germany, Dortmund in particular. For some reason they rarely seem to carry their form onto the next club maybe Haaland will break that hoodoo.
He could have moved to us but the price was 30mil for a 17 year old so I'm not so sure about this appearance of doing the right thing.
the result from the transfer thus far looks like the lad has put himself in the shop window; but we just do not know of they simply didn't just take the biggest pay day on offer at the time. the result out could have been identifal at LFC or wherever but the money could have been far less. We just don't know that.
We do know at 17 Bellingham was getting 50k a week by moving. If it was pure football he could have stays at Birmingham for 2 years and got way less but been just as important a player to that club without any risk of having the move fail (and moving to a foreign country is always a risk)
And yes playing CL and Top division in Germany is better than championship and thats all good but lets face it a massive pay cheque came their way with that move and another is coming quite quickly.
Same then for the brother.... no desire to stay at birmingham at all.
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Its more tax efficient for clubs to pay the agents fee. Otherwise players would want larger salaries in order to pay it and then everyone is screwed.
was a bit article about it a year or two back that remember reading.
I think it was Tobes who put the article up, and it showed it was better for the club and plyer if the agent's fees were paid by the club for tax reasons.
Phillip Degan, remember him? He is friends with Mark Bellingham and gave an inside track interview a couple of years ago on the situation. Going by what he said and from my humble point of view, I think he made the right move. Outstanding young talent moving to a good club with a reputation for developing talent rather than move to a massive club and not play enough or stay at a Championship club and stall the development by not playing at the level you should be. Harvey Elliott did a similar thing.
Birmingham were happy to sell him as they got a payday which would help the continue to exist as a club . Bellinghams agent and family had identified a move to Germany as the best way to progress his development and were not really open to him moving to a top english club as they didn't think he would get enough game time .
Arguing about how much money we've got is fairly pointless, we dont know regardless of what's reported, we will not be whiter than white when it comes to our accounts.
I can just go by what I feel, and thats that despite immense success we havnt taken advantage. Similar to 2005 we could of bolsted the team, moved forward but we didn't.
I feel we have the revenue and importantly the success to attract the players. If we don't take advantage while it's there, it's a very fine line between a prudent top club and a stepping stone for players to get where they want to go.
I can just go by what I feel, and thats that despite immense success we havnt taken advantage. Similar to 2005 we could of bolsted the team, moved forward but we didn't.
I feel we have the revenue and importantly the success to attract the players. If we don't take advantage while it's there, it's a very fine line between a prudent top club and a stepping stone for players to get where they want to go.
I just looked back at a post I made last year containing a link to an article by Daniel Geey, sports lawyer, about agent's fees. This was the conclusion:
It’s pretty clear that the way that agents/intermediaries are paid at present is rather complicated. Many believe that the way athletes, say, in the US pay their agents directly is the more straight forward model. However, the current club and player incentives are somewhat misaligned with a combination of:
It’s pretty clear that the way that agents/intermediaries are paid at present is rather complicated. Many believe that the way athletes, say, in the US pay their agents directly is the more straight forward model. However, the current club and player incentives are somewhat misaligned with a combination of:
- agents commission not being a deductible expense for players; and
- clubs presumably preferring to pay the player’s agent as a benefit to the player rather than provide more in gross salary to the player.