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InBiscanWeTrust said:
Forgot he existed <whistle>
Add ox to that list for £35m as well.

let’s not kid ourselves that we’re buying bargain bucket and klopps having to deal with £10m signings
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totally, we are very lucky and have managed the cash well.

We actually did well selling rodgers players largely even if the club was not making good use of the funds in terms of losing on a lot of buys.

In 16/17 we spend 71 mil but brought in 76mil and klopp got 4 players. benteke, ibe, allen, skertl, illori, alberto, smith all left.

In 17/18 that accelerated hugely with the sales. 156mil buys but 166mil out. coutinho, sakho, lucas, stewart (big loan fee for origi), sturridge, wisdom.

we might have been horse trading but we made good decisions. IMO FSG push the boat out then with the belief one push would make a team and thats when Alisson, fabinho and keita arrived.

We've been paying for that big push since.

I think we've a fairly decent side as a result. I hope we keep the smart decisions going as peopel change.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
I'm not even sure it was that.

They appointed rodgers (be it too soon or whatever you like) they didn't have full faith in him nor did the people in power like ayre. too many people stuck their beak into decisions on players and in the end rodgers was too weak at that point to put his stamp of authority on it.

FSG may have learned form it. If we are kind we would say that the deck of voices was cleared and the hands are off. Edwards is the director, klopp is the final say, the scouts are scouts. Gordan doesn't stick his oar in like ayre did.

will they go differently in the future? who knows.

what we do however know is in that summer they knew klopp was leaving dortmund for months and months. We also know that after the disastrous season they told rodgers to sack his back room staff and hired some new ones (sort of)

It is was a very odd to virtually unique occurrence that I've never seen on football before. I've seen back room teams kept and managers go but never the opposite after a team came in together.

who is to say this was not done to grease the wheels for klopp to arrive having agreed a deal in the background (for example klopp might have wanted a year off and our idea was to keep Rodgers one more year then get klopp but then it all got accelerated?

If we were thinking ahead and working when is it fortune, more that we won the bid for klopp and made it happen in whatever means we could?
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Some good points about Rodgers.

Ancelotti was being looked at along with Klopp don't forget. Out of the two you'd put Ancelotti ahead maybe in terms of experience and success but they didn't pick him they went for the best fit for us. I don't think it was lucky so much as well thought through.
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
Lets be fair to fsg though, they’ve backed klopp on the big spending when he’s wanted it.

No one ever thought we’d spend 60m on Allison and 75m on vvd before they arrived. But fsg put their money down and backed him.

can’t say for sure but it does seem that klopp isn’t banging on the door demanding for money 24/7. Yes I’m sure he’d love to have a guaranteed 80m to spend every summer plus sales but he’s not the type to throw toys out if not given it.

he wanted Jota and Thiago, he got them last summer. He wanted konate, he got him.

We don’t know what klopp was saying in January but he’s said hundreds of times he doesn’t buy short term and being successful isn’t just buying the new players all the time. You need and can develop them from within.

Whose to say Fsg would be happy to give us more money if klopp wanted but he hasn’t demanded it because he’s happy with what he has and only wants 1 or 2 pieces each window.

All speculation as we don’t know what goes on but we can’t forget that fsg have given klopp money when asked.

alisson
vvd
fabinho
konate
salah
mane
jota
thiago
Gini

all come in for 25m plus.
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I'm not saying that we don't spend big but we are heavily reliant on balancing books. Again, not a bad thing but it would be nice once in a while where we didn't need to worry about this.

Those players who listed weren't cheap but it's not as if the owners were feeling generous and bought them all from their pack pocket. We've had to sell a lot of players to fund this. We would never have bought Allison and VVD had we not sold Coutinho ... and Klopp didn't want to sell him.

We're supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in the world but it doesn't feel like it. We're definitely one of the smartest ones, no doubt. but I feel this model relies too much on over performance and genius. I don't think any other manager except for Klopp achieves the same level of success. Our net spend has been incredibly low since Klopp took over - the guy is one of, if not, the best manager in the world. There are teams like Everton and Villa, and even Arsenal showing more ambition than us.

As I say, I don't want us to become another City but I also don't want us to settle for 1 CL and 1PL and then suffer another drought. I want a sustained period of dominance where we continue to boost the squad every year. Which is exactly what I think does happen and will continue to happen. I just wanted to stress that January was the straw that broke the camels back for me.
 
johnsonsbaby said:
Some good points about Rodgers.

Ancelotti was being looked at along with Klopp don't forget. Out of the two you'd put Ancelotti ahead maybe in terms of experience and success but they didn't pick him they went for the best fit for us.
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well, its a good point but Its also looking at the (IMO) very top two coaches on the planet outside the mega bucks gaurdiola.

I take the harry redknapp jibes at the time with the large pinch of salt they deserve. would we have had a chat just in case klopp wasn't ready to come off his break? sure why not? did we offer it? well who knows. Would redknapp exaggerate deliberately? yes. Would he have gotten a second hand story and chinese whipsers added a bit? sure why not.

anchelotti was also on a rest break, he later joined bayern. Do we think that he waited for a bayern to confirm guardiola was in fact off to city and rejected us if offered the job? who knows.

At least it was two top men being talked to AND importantly IMO having a back up plan which is often not the case (see spurs disaster)
 
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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I'm not saying that we don't spend big but we are heavily reliant on balancing books. Again, not a bad thing but it would be nice once in a while where we didn't need to worry about this.

Those players who listed weren't cheap but it's not as if the owners were feeling generous and bought them all from their pack pocket. We've had to sell a lot of players to fund this. We would never have bought Allison and VVD had we not sold Coutinho ... and Klopp didn't want to sell him.

We're supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in the world but it doesn't feel like it. We're definitely one of the smartest ones, no doubt. but I feel this model relies too much on over performance and genius. I don't think any other manager except for Klopp achieves the same level of success. Our net spend has been incredibly low since Klopp took over - the guy is one of, if not, the best manager in the world. There are teams like Everton and Villa, and even Arsenal showing more ambition than us.

As I say, I don't want us to become another City but I also don't want us to settle for 1 CL and 1PL and then suffer another drought. I want a sustained period of dominance where we continue to boost the squad every year. Which is exactly what I think does happen and will continue to happen. I just wanted to stress that January was the straw that broke the camels back for me.
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IMO keep throwing up stand and keep inflating the the revenues and we will just keep playing keepy up. Something has to change in football. Our wage bill is quite large, but yet our top earner is on half that of some clubs. Until that something changes we will be playing the game.

this is top ten club in 2020 wages
10. Arsenal Average spent per player: £4.78 million Top earner: Mesut Ozil (£350,000-a-week)
9. Atletico Madrid Average spent per player: £5.37 million Top earner: Jan Oblak (£350,000-a-week)
8. Liverpool Average spent per player: £5.51 million Top earner: Mohamed Salah (£200,000-a-week)
7. Manchester United Average spent per player: £6.12 million Top earner: David de Gea (£375,000-a-week) (do we SERIOUSLY believe this average)
6. Bayern Munich Average spent per player: £6.19 million Top earner: Robert Lewandowski (£275,000-a-week)
5. Paris Saint-Germain Average spent per player: £6.81 million Top earner: Neymar (£600,000-a-week) (do we SERIOUSLY believe this average)
4. Manchester City Average spent per player: £6.98 million Top earner: Kevin De Bruyne (£320,000-a-week) (I don't believe any of this personally)
3. Juventus Average spent per player: £7.71 million Top earner: Cristiano Ronaldo (£540,000-a-week)
2. Real Madrid Average spent per player: £8.5 million Top earner: Gareth Bale (£600,000-a-week)
1. Barcelona Average spent per player: £9.37 million Top earner: Lionel Messi (£1.15m-a-week) (inlcudes a lot not sure its all true)

note that chelsea don't even register which hints at something very odd going on there in accounting terms.

We have 2 oil dopers, an italian side that the money comes form nowhere, 2 spanish bankruptees at the top.

I certainly don't think utd are that low either given the amount of players they have but we do pay quite a large big club wage, its just spread round an awful lot of players.

Our top wage is a fraction of the real big names so you'd have to wonder how this balances out.

Ranking Team Total revenue
1 Barcelona €715.1m
2 Real Madrid €714.9m
3 Bayern Munich €634.1m
4 Manchester United €580.4m
5 Liverpool €558.6m
6 Manchester City €549.2m
7 Paris Saint-Germain €540.6m
8 Chelsea €469.7m
9 Tottenham €445.7m
10 Juventus €397.9m

you'll note that we are 5th on revenue, yet 8th on wages. you have to wonder how on earth Juventus are not bankrupt wouldn't you.

the numbers are big but the accounting being done is very different by the look of things. some clubs just doesn't seem to add up at all, some are nowhere on wages when they ought to be quite high up.


If we want sugar daddy stuff then say that what we want. the only clubs going to dominate are called city and chelsea. they will continue to outspend everyone including man utd. Its a very bad cycle that eventually will have to be controlled or it will blow up somewhere.

I don't want us to be the club that blows up (again) chasing this as the doping clubs can magic money from nowhere but the rest of us will go to the wall. as long as the dopers are not controlled the or clubs are the ones who will pay.
 
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I agree with your points MITO - the wages is very interesting. We dont have any astronomical earners but we have a very high wage bill. I suspect this mostly propped up by recent success since our contracts are heavily incentive based.

And you're right - I don't want this club to be in trouble financially every again - the owners have done a good job in stabilising us and making us sustainable. However, I don't want to have a repeat of January where we were desperate, Klopp was desperate and we were let down by the owners. Granted, it was a one off but it did open my eyes.
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
Lets be fair to fsg though, they’ve backed klopp on the big spending when he’s wanted it.

No one ever thought we’d spend 60m on Allison and 75m on vvd before they arrived. But fsg put their money down and backed him.

can’t say for sure but it does seem that klopp isn’t banging on the door demanding for money 24/7. Yes I’m sure he’d love to have a guaranteed 80m to spend every summer plus sales but he’s not the type to throw toys out if not given it.

he wanted Jota and Thiago, he got them last summer. He wanted konate, he got him.

We don’t know what klopp was saying in January but he’s said hundreds of times he doesn’t buy short term and being successful isn’t just buying the new players all the time. You need and can develop them from within.

Whose to say Fsg would be happy to give us more money if klopp wanted but he hasn’t demanded it because he’s happy with what he has and only wants 1 or 2 pieces each window.

All speculation as we don’t know what goes on but we can’t forget that fsg have given klopp money when asked.

alisson
vvd
fabinho
konate
salah
mane
jota
thiago
Gini

all come in for 25m plus.
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Thiago was only £20m but I fully take your point <ok>
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I agree with your points MITO - the wages is very interesting. We dont have any astronomical earners but we have a very high wage bill. I suspect this mostly propped up by recent success since our contracts are heavily incentive based.

And you're right - I don't want this club to be in trouble financially every again - the owners have done a good job in stabilising us and making us sustainable. However, I don't want to have a repeat of January where we were desperate, Klopp was desperate and we were let down by the owners. Granted, it was a one off but it did open my eyes.
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Our wage bill is because it includes huge non playing members of the club unless your specifically talking about playing wage bill?


from the echo

Liverpool currently employ in excess of 800 staff across the club's different departments who are all included in the latest set of accounts.

In contrast, City's annual wage bill of £260million only includes 449 members of staff - 210 on the football side and 239 in commercial and administration

It's also understood that a number of significant salaries at City are paid by the City Football Group, the holding company that administers all the global clubs under the ownership of Abu Dhabi United Group.
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
£34m rising to £50m. Not bad signing, better defender than anything they currently have at the club.

Imagine how good United could be if they had owners that would spend some money! <whistle>
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I think Varane and Sancho are both very good signings. Question is, will Ole use them effectively?
 
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Zanjinho said:
I think Varane and Sancho are both very good signings. Question is, will Ole use them effectively?
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Agreed. Think it gives them what they needed in those positions. Thing with United is they’ll win games because they have individuals who can win games which is what happened last year. Is ole good enough to win tactical battles though.
 
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Zanjinho said:
I think Varane and Sancho are both very good signings. Question is, will Ole use them effectively?
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This is a fair point.

I still think we need a proper holding midfielder like Rice so that Ole gives the midfield and wide men the freedom to go forward.
 
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