And I might be wrong but I could have swore Mito was arguing it wasn't really on Karius in that same post... kinda the opposite of what he's argued in the last few posts on this thread lol.
Could be wrong of course
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Yeah, stats have their limitations but they are useful to a degree. Prem. teams use endless stats on a daily basis to look at all sorts of things.
Our defensive record improved in the second half of the season, I think it was up there with the best in the league. So collectively our defensive
unit, midfielders included, showed it was tightening up. Surely Karius played his part in this improvement. We don't know if he has difficulties
with his mental strength, but Klopp will have a pretty good idea working with Karius daily. It will speak volumes about Karius if, as rumoured,
Klopp plans to continue with him as our no.1.
samples have statistics
populations have parameters.
the power of statistics is to make an inference from the sample.about the population
if for example someone calculates that a sample of midfielders runs on average 11km per game can we infer all midfielders run on average 11km per game.
then if Henderson or.milner run 13 km per game they may then be said to cover more ground.
the point of calculating every players distance ran, minutes on pitch etc etc etc is not to create a sample statistic but to measure the entire population.
therefore some comparative measures really can be powerful.
you really have to know where they come from.
For example. if someone measured 5 midfielder running for 90 mins and inferred that 9kms was average you would instantly ask... which midfielders? were they defensive midfielders? were they over or under 30? what style of play were they involved in and so forth and so on.
populations have parameters.
the power of statistics is to make an inference from the sample.about the population
if for example someone calculates that a sample of midfielders runs on average 11km per game can we infer all midfielders run on average 11km per game.
then if Henderson or.milner run 13 km per game they may then be said to cover more ground.
the point of calculating every players distance ran, minutes on pitch etc etc etc is not to create a sample statistic but to measure the entire population.
therefore some comparative measures really can be powerful.
you really have to know where they come from.
For example. if someone measured 5 midfielder running for 90 mins and inferred that 9kms was average you would instantly ask... which midfielders? were they defensive midfielders? were they over or under 30? what style of play were they involved in and so forth and so on.
Saw it the other day. He's supposed to be a Forest fan too ffs
I'd like to say it's only because of the Nox / Notts similarity but he calls then Notts Forest all the time the bellend
Everyone I know who talks about them calls them Notts ForestSaw it the other day. He's supposed to be a Forest fan too ffs
I'd like to say it's only because of the Nox / Notts similarity but he calls then Notts Forest all the time the bellend
Everyone I know who talks about them calls them Notts Forest
Then everyone you know is also a bellend
Liverpool eye Dybala if Juve land Ronaldo
While Cristiano Ronaldo-to-Juventus dominates the rumour mill, Liverpool are reportedly plotting an audacious move for Juve's Paulo Dybala.
Liverpool ’s pursuit of Nabil Fekir has been given a surprise boost aafter Lyon coach Bruno Genesio conceded that their captain could leave after all this summer.
While Cristiano Ronaldo-to-Juventus dominates the rumour mill, Liverpool are reportedly plotting an audacious move for Juve's Paulo Dybala.
Liverpool ’s pursuit of Nabil Fekir has been given a surprise boost aafter Lyon coach Bruno Genesio conceded that their captain could leave after all this summer.
Klopp on Karius concussion
Jurgen Klopp has revealed that Loris Karius’ Champions League howlers were a direct result of the concussion he sustained in the Champions League final.
The German committed two horrendous errors to gift-wrap Real Madrid their 13th Champions League crown in the Reds’ 3-1 defeat in Kiev on May 26.
It has since been brought to light that Karius was in fact concussed during the second half after a collision with Sergio Ramos and Klopp has said that the injury was the cause of the huge mistakes from his goalkeeper in the biggest game of his career.
But never saw Sergio Ramos with any "Nerve agent"
Stop kidding me.
Jurgen Klopp has revealed that Loris Karius’ Champions League howlers were a direct result of the concussion he sustained in the Champions League final.
The German committed two horrendous errors to gift-wrap Real Madrid their 13th Champions League crown in the Reds’ 3-1 defeat in Kiev on May 26.
It has since been brought to light that Karius was in fact concussed during the second half after a collision with Sergio Ramos and Klopp has said that the injury was the cause of the huge mistakes from his goalkeeper in the biggest game of his career.
But never saw Sergio Ramos with any "Nerve agent"
Stop kidding me.
No new keeper this summer thenKlopp on Karius concussion
Jurgen Klopp has revealed that Loris Karius’ Champions League howlers were a direct result of the concussion he sustained in the Champions League final.
The German committed two horrendous errors to gift-wrap Real Madrid their 13th Champions League crown in the Reds’ 3-1 defeat in Kiev on May 26.
It has since been brought to light that Karius was in fact concussed during the second half after a collision with Sergio Ramos and Klopp has said that the injury was the cause of the huge mistakes from his goalkeeper in the biggest game of his career.
But never saw Sergio Ramos with any "Nerve agent"
Being devils advocate, say it was concussion that caused these errors, shouldn't he be given another chance? I haven't followed him at Liverpool, but is he that bad?
No he shouldn’t. If he was concussed, he let his team mates down by staying in the pitch. If he wasn’t concussed he let his team mates down by being dog sh*te
Either way he’s toast in my mind.....
I’d rather buy Butland than nobody tbh.
Next they’ll be telling us that he had concussion but didn’t know it.
we have a long history of keepers who make us fans nervous when the ball goes near the defence lol.
i would rather give him another chance personally, but as backup.
as for the concussion thing who knows, plausible as ramos is a dirty **** and knows what he is doing and getting away with!
I'm not sure at all about the concussion theory, but his ability as a keeper is being underrated by many imo
Read the article:
Jürgen Klopp has spoken for the first time about the concussion Loris Karius sustained in the Champions League final defeat by Real Madrid in May.
The goalkeeper returned to Melwood on Monday to begin pre-season training with Liverpool and is likely to figure in Saturday’s friendly encounter with Chester FC.
Asked whether he feels he has to do anything differently in terms of managing Karius ahead of 2018-19, Klopp told Liverpoolfc.com: “It’s all normal here. I don’t know exactly what people think or made of the situation. The only thing I can say is he had a concussion in the game.
“Whoever had a concussion knows there is not one way how it feels, there are different ways. He didn’t feel it obviously. He had a knock on his head and he felt that but he didn’t know he had a concussion. That’s how concussions are. The guy who has it is the last one to be aware of it probably.
“With all the intensity of the game, adrenaline and the disappointment after the game, nobody really thought about that. I needed a few days, to be honest, to accept the fact and deal with the situation [of losing the final]. It was not that easy.
“After four days I got a call from Franz Beckenbauer, our Bobby Moore, our biggest football player who is a good friend of mine. He called me and said he came from a doctor, he told me: ‘your goalkeeper had a concussion.’ I said, ‘what?’ because in the game, from my position that situation is not very good to see: ‘maybe there was contact or not.’ I told him immediately, ‘OK’. He said the doctor is the most famous doctor in Germany. I said: ‘OK, give me a few minutes, I have to fix a few things.’
“I got all the pictures from different perspectives, saw it and thought: ‘how can we all think that the boy who didn’t show any weakness in that game until then made these big mistakes in a very important game and nobody thinks it’s because of the knock he got?’ How can we think that? That was, for me, the explanation and I thought: ‘OK, come on, we need to check that.’
“I thought it was too late, you cannot check that. But now I know a concussion isn’t coming and going in a day – if you have one, you see it days later. Five days after the final, Loris had 26 of 30 markers for a concussion still. That’s clear.
“If you ask Loris, he says he didn’t think about it and didn’t use it for a second as an excuse. We don’t use it as an excuse, we use it as an explanation. That’s always important, that’s what analysis should be: you explain why things happen. So, from this point of view, from my side everything is fine. We don’t think about that anymore and we start completely new.”
Now back at Melwood and preparing for the season ahead, Klopp insists the Champions League final must be put behind Karius, with a ‘business as usual’ approach adopted by all parties.
The boss said: “That’s how it is. You make a mistake against Chester and it’s a mistake. If you make a mistake in a Champions League final, it’s a mistake you cannot change anymore, even if you want to – and we all want to.
“He was influenced by that knock, that is 100 per cent. What the rest of the world is making of it, I don’t care. It’s really not important what the people say. We do not use it as an excuse.
“Now people could think for us it is the explanation – and for me it is 100 per cent the explanation and that’s all.”
..................................................
So....
whatever else, lets start ignoring goalkeeper links cos this **** is pretty damned clear. its an explanation, not an excuse... karius wouldn't have known himself... another explanation...
We won't be signing a new keeper if klopp is willing to go so far
Jürgen Klopp has spoken for the first time about the concussion Loris Karius sustained in the Champions League final defeat by Real Madrid in May.
The goalkeeper returned to Melwood on Monday to begin pre-season training with Liverpool and is likely to figure in Saturday’s friendly encounter with Chester FC.
Asked whether he feels he has to do anything differently in terms of managing Karius ahead of 2018-19, Klopp told Liverpoolfc.com: “It’s all normal here. I don’t know exactly what people think or made of the situation. The only thing I can say is he had a concussion in the game.
“Whoever had a concussion knows there is not one way how it feels, there are different ways. He didn’t feel it obviously. He had a knock on his head and he felt that but he didn’t know he had a concussion. That’s how concussions are. The guy who has it is the last one to be aware of it probably.
“With all the intensity of the game, adrenaline and the disappointment after the game, nobody really thought about that. I needed a few days, to be honest, to accept the fact and deal with the situation [of losing the final]. It was not that easy.
“After four days I got a call from Franz Beckenbauer, our Bobby Moore, our biggest football player who is a good friend of mine. He called me and said he came from a doctor, he told me: ‘your goalkeeper had a concussion.’ I said, ‘what?’ because in the game, from my position that situation is not very good to see: ‘maybe there was contact or not.’ I told him immediately, ‘OK’. He said the doctor is the most famous doctor in Germany. I said: ‘OK, give me a few minutes, I have to fix a few things.’
“I got all the pictures from different perspectives, saw it and thought: ‘how can we all think that the boy who didn’t show any weakness in that game until then made these big mistakes in a very important game and nobody thinks it’s because of the knock he got?’ How can we think that? That was, for me, the explanation and I thought: ‘OK, come on, we need to check that.’
“I thought it was too late, you cannot check that. But now I know a concussion isn’t coming and going in a day – if you have one, you see it days later. Five days after the final, Loris had 26 of 30 markers for a concussion still. That’s clear.
“If you ask Loris, he says he didn’t think about it and didn’t use it for a second as an excuse. We don’t use it as an excuse, we use it as an explanation. That’s always important, that’s what analysis should be: you explain why things happen. So, from this point of view, from my side everything is fine. We don’t think about that anymore and we start completely new.”
Now back at Melwood and preparing for the season ahead, Klopp insists the Champions League final must be put behind Karius, with a ‘business as usual’ approach adopted by all parties.
The boss said: “That’s how it is. You make a mistake against Chester and it’s a mistake. If you make a mistake in a Champions League final, it’s a mistake you cannot change anymore, even if you want to – and we all want to.
“He was influenced by that knock, that is 100 per cent. What the rest of the world is making of it, I don’t care. It’s really not important what the people say. We do not use it as an excuse.
“Now people could think for us it is the explanation – and for me it is 100 per cent the explanation and that’s all.”
..................................................
So....
whatever else, lets start ignoring goalkeeper links cos this **** is pretty damned clear. its an explanation, not an excuse... karius wouldn't have known himself... another explanation...
We won't be signing a new keeper if klopp is willing to go so far
Fair enough guys, Arsenal have been plagued by some ****e as well until Cech came in, so i understand where you're all coming from.