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InBiscanWeTrust said:
So like I said, apart from stones and Luiz no defender has cost more than £30m (ok mustafi was £5m more). Mangala was £30m btw Not £40m.

Thanks for helping prove my point Bobby <ok>
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Transfer league has him marked at 40m. Oh well who cares.

Point was all them players were around the 30m mark, unproven or from a foreign league and no where near as good and dominant as VVD and before the new prem league money.

If you think you are picking VVD up for less than 35 i think you are dreaming
 
saintKlopp said:
Ok, but that depends on a number of things that aren't being taken into account. As Kenny says above, van Dijk on his own will not solve all our problems. The team needs to be looked at as a whole - especially the defending aspects -and improved in a way that no single addition can do. There seems to be an assumption that we have bottomless pockets when it comes to buying players but I'm not convinced.
This all sounds like let's play Football Manager rather than the real world to me.
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Exactly - we need to be buying more than one defender this summer.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Exactly - we need to be buying more than one defender this summer.
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I'm not denying that we need better players, but there's still a bigger picture to all of this.
Look at the teams we struggle against and why. They all defend better than us - does that mean that their players are all better than ours?
Of course not. It's down to a couple of things - they are better organised, which is something that we could improve on, but also they are more used to playing that sort of game, something which we shouldn't aspire to.
There's a reason why the Pulises and Pardews of this world are at the level they're at.
We will always spend most of the time (in most games) in the opposition half but we're a soft touch when it comes to breakaways and set pieces. The latter has improved a bit, but still has a way to go.
We've been like this for many years and under several managers now. I don't pretend to know what the answer is, but it isn't just Virgil van Dijk.
 
luvgonzo said:
For me we buy a center back a left back a midfielder and a striker and not one of them should be a kid with potential. If we buy quality then that's our transfer budget gone.
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this - though as i pointed out on the Palace matchday thread there is a system fault with our defending at the very least we play a system to which our present players are unsuited which will leave them vulnerable whatever there standard.
 
saintKlopp said:
I'm not denying that we need better players, but there's still a bigger picture to all of this.
Look at the teams we struggle against and why. They all defend better than us - does that mean that their players are all better than ours?
Of course not. It's down to a couple of things - they are better organised, which is something that we could improve on, but also they are more used to playing that sort of game, something which we shouldn't aspire to.
There's a reason why the Pulises and Pardews of this world are at the level they're at.
We will always spend most of the time (in most games) in the opposition half but we're a soft touch when it comes to breakaways and set pieces. The latter has improved a bit, but still has a way to go.
We've been like this for many years and under several managers now. I don't pretend to know what the answer is, but it isn't just Virgil van Dijk.
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It's easier to defend when you have two banks of 4 and not expecting to push out.

And let's be honest, we make it very easy to defend against.

We need defenders who suit our style - ie who are comfortable on the ball, can play a high line and are fast.

The team as a whole are defending a lot better because we don't concede that many shots - we concede goals so many because we gift such easy chances due to errors. These errors are individual errors and not down to the system IMO.
 
Zanjinho said:
We need a DM & LB more than a CB
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I thinK LB and CB are more important because our midfield does a decent enough job protecting the back 4. We do need a better MF More for dictating tempo and creating more when we have possession.

But without a better LB and CB's, we will continue to concede stupid goals like we saw at palace - and these goals are a regular occurrence. Teams don't have to work hard to score past us.
 
saintKlopp said:
That cuts both ways. It applies equally to those who think we should be paying that sort of money for VVD to those who don't.
It's not absolutely fine if it means we are unable to buy the right players to strengthen elsewhere.
Van Dijk might improve us, but he's no saviour, and that fee is way over-inflated.
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But it's quite clear we have plenty of money to spend.

Kopp hasn't been given a penny yet. Seriously time the owners back him.

I don't get to games these days so it's not my money. We're too tight to be a top 4 club as things stand.

All opinion of course
 
Skylarker said:
But it's quite clear we have plenty of money to spend.

Kopp hasn't been given a penny yet. Seriously time the owners back him.

I don't get to games these days so it's not my money. We're too tight to be a top 4 club as things stand.

All opinion of course
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We should have a certain amount incoming aswell, so its time for FSG to spend some serious cash
 
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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I thinK LB and CB are more important because our midfield does a decent enough job protecting the back 4. We do need a better MF More for dictating tempo and creating more when we have possession.

But without a better LB and CB's, we will continue to concede stupid goals like we saw at palace - and these goals are a regular occurrence. Teams don't have to work hard to score past us.
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disagree with the MF giving good cover to the defence far too often we just get run thru straight t the heart of the defence.
Don't know about a better LB - just having a LB would be a start.

I think Milner in particular is knackered both physically & mentally as he hasn't played 90 mins week in week out and it is noticeable how is performance has dropped though there was always an element of the talking dog about them.
 
Solid_Air 2 said:
disagree with the MF giving good cover to the defence far too often we just get run thru straight t the heart of the defence.
Don't know about a better LB - just having a LB would be a start.

I think Milner in particular is knackered both physically & mentally as he hasn't played 90 mins week in week out and it is noticeable how is performance has dropped though there was always an element of the talking dog about them.
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The MF isn't perfect and could definitely do better - but as a team, we are defending better by preventing the number of shots and chances. The biggest issue we have is that from the limited chances we concede, these are mostly high quality clear cut chances.

I don't agree that teams play through us - I think they tend to play it long down our left channel and they're inz
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I thinK LB and CB are more important because our midfield does a decent enough job protecting the back 4. We do need a better MF More for dictating tempo and creating more when we have possession.

But without a better LB and CB's, we will continue to concede stupid goals like we saw at palace - and these goals are a regular occurrence. Teams don't have to work hard to score past us.
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Don't agree about them protecting the back line enough but lets go with that theory for now...

Doesn't them (the middle trio) concentrating on defensive duties restrict their offensive duties? Having a recognised DM allows the other two that little bit more freedom to join the attacks. It also allows FBs a bit more freedom.

I know you don't like our rate him but I also think a DM would bring the best out of Lovren too. He was great at Southampton because there was a shield (granted there were two of them as well) in front which meant he only has to step out occasionally rather that continously like he does for us. The last line of defence shouldn't be taking those gambles.

I don't really mind Milner at LB either. Sure, he has his faults and he could be improved on but we need a squad. Moreno may as well be with Studge and Sakho imo
 
RE 'kids with potential'

We already have a few of those ...

They're called Woodburn, Alexander-Arnold, Origi, Grujic, Gomez, Ojo (ok 'kid' is stretching it with a couple but ya feel me)

That's more than enough, the best teams only have a couple around the first team squad anyways i.e. the most promising ones. So we don't need to buy anymore 'kids with potential', we need 'men with ambition and cojones'
 
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BobbyD said:
Transfer league has him marked at 40m. Oh well who cares.

Point was all them players were around the 30m mark, unproven or from a foreign league and no where near as good and dominant as VVD and before the new prem league money.

If you think you are picking VVD up for less than 35 i think you are dreaming
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I never said would pick him up for that. Need to go back read the points we were discussing.
 
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