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Anyone who watched the 0-0 draw against Fulham at home years ago will never want to see him back.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Extract from the Athletic re. Carvalho transfer:

Why did Monday’s talks drag on so long? Fulham drove a hard bargain. Liverpool’s offer of £5 million, as well as loaning him back until May, was rejected. Finally, late in the day, the two clubs agreed on a fee potentially rising to £8 million with add-ons as well as a sell-on clause.

It was only then that Liverpool were given the green light to speak directly to the player. Carvalho, who has scored seven goals and contributed four assists in 18 Championship games this season, was eagerly awaiting the opportunity to discuss with Klopp where he would fit into his plans.

The Premier League gives clubs an extra two hours to submit all the necessary paperwork if they send a deal sheet before the 11pm deadline confirming that an agreement is in place. However, that flexibility doesn’t apply to transfers involving EFL clubs.

They had been desperate to get the transfer completed before the deadline to outflank an array of rivals across Europe for Carvalho’s signature. Liverpool also wanted to avoid the prospect of a tribunal deciding on the fee after he leaves Fulham this summer.

As Carvalho, who rejected a new contract in November, is under the age of 24, Fulham are entitled to compensation for his development during his seven years on their books.

Another English club would either have to agree a figure with Fulham or go to a tribunal. However, the Londoners would be entitled to less than £500,000 in compensation under FIFA rules if he moved to a club overseas this summer. That nominal fee is one of the reasons he’s attracted interest from the likes of Barcelona, Borussia Dortmund, Benfica, Sevilla, Monaco and AC Milan.

As a result, it’s not only Liverpool who could miss out as a result of Monday’s deal collapsing. But for Fulham, any financial hit on Carvalho is viewed by them as small fry compared to the riches on offer if they can successfully win promotion.
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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
All parties could agree on a deal for the summer that ensures a tribunal isn’t required. However, it remains to be seen if either Fulham or the player’s representatives seek to re-negotiate terms. Carvalho’s representation situation is complicated. He has been represented by family members this month since parting company with Unique Sports Management but, while they handle his representation, around them have been different agents trying to broker deals, including for the move to Liverpool. The Athletic has been told that the complexities of his representation have up to now discouraged some clubs from advancing their interest.

If it goes to a tribunal, then the agreement reached between the clubs on Monday night would be taken into account as that sets a precedent for his valuation.

The biggest danger for Liverpool is that Carvalho decides to choose a counter offer. Unless a compensation package is officially agreed with Fulham, Liverpool and other Premier League clubs can only speak to Carvalho about a pre-contract agreement after the third Saturday in May, but clubs overseas can make an approach at any point during the final six months of his present deal.

Relations between Liverpool and Fulham have improved since the tension created by Elliott’s move to Merseyside in 2019. Back then, Liverpool’s initial offer of £850,000 plus add-ons was described as “insulting”. Fulham wanted a guaranteed £10 million plus add-ons for one of their biggest assets. A tribunal ultimately ruled that Liverpool had to pay £1.7 million, rising to £4.3 million if he plays more than 100 games for Liverpool and gets a senior England cap. There is also a 20 per cent sell-on clause.

Elliott and Carvalho played youth football together at Fulham and they remain friends. Elliott always sends Carvalho a message congratulating him when he has scored. The prospect of them being reunited is something they would both relish.

Liverpool sold Harry Wilson to Fulham last summer and agreed not to receive any of the £12 million fee until 2022 in order to help the Londoners satisfy financial fair play rules.

Late on Monday night, Liverpool right-back Neco Williams moved on loan to Craven Cottage until the end of the season. It was never part of the Carvalho deal but another sign of the clubs helping each other out. Interestingly, unlike the deal that took Nat Phillips to Bournemouth until the end of the season, Fulham did not pay a loan fee for Williams.

Liverpool will hope that leads to Carvalho belatedly becoming a Liverpool player. A lot of groundwork has been put in but Monday’s late frustration means that the door remains ajar for others to take advantage.
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Can't he talk to foreign clubs now regardless? Without Fulham's permission. Only English need permission first at this stage
 
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InBiscanWeTrust said:
I do wonder if taking over from Klopp would be same as taking over from Ferguson or taking over from pep. Such massive expectations and almost a poisoned chalice?
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Bit of column a bit of column b here.

First we need to look to squad and hunger. in 2024 klopp could hand over a team with a decrepit VVD but wuld have alisson, kelleher, trent, gomez, konates, tsimikas, elliott, jones, diaz, (carvalho maybe) jota. Even an aged fabinho. Its a fairly good team.

Compare that to what moyes got handed. aging players like giggs, evra, vidic, carrick etc etc no marks like anderson, rafael etc. there was a massive rebuild no matter who came to utd.


on the other hand theres how much faith was actually put in moyes at all. Its not so much the expectations but rather the backing. Moyes ende dup 7h but he as in the QF of CL and in SF of league cup. They sacked him before a season was done then appointed an absolute hoofer in van gaal who bored the pants off fans.

So the question has to be will fans take to a manager and will the board back that person properly to get things right thier way.


Utd were indeed a poisoned chalice as Ferguson pick the new man not the board so he was simply not backed. (felliani in that summer was a ****ing joke of a window looking at the state of squad in age and legs) Ferguson also left a mess.
 
saintKlopp said:
It seemed that way when Shankly retired, but we built on it rather than collapsed, so it is possible.
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Good men like Robinson (for the era) over the thing, backing and a man who knew his own mind and did what he felt was needed

FSG have mike gordan there to ride over egos in theory but the rest are very hands off. the choice of new man is critical as they have to have the ego to get the final say but have the humility to build on the technical and analytical structures we have rather than disrupt it.

Inevitably if we hand a high pressing high energy type system and team built over 10 years off to a new man he better be a guy who likes high press high risk/reward football!

it'd be tragic to appoint a tuchel after a klopp. (dortmund royally ****ed that one up)
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
Good men like Robinson (for the era) over the thing, backing and a man who knew his own mind and did what he felt was needed

FSG have mike gordan there to ride over egos in theory but the rest are very hands off. the choice of new man is critical as they have to have the ego to get the final say but have the humility to build on the technical and analytical structures we have rather than disrupt it.

Inevitably if we hand a high pressing high energy type system and team built over 10 years off to a new man he better be a guy who likes high press high risk/reward football!

it'd be tragic to appoint a tuchel after a klopp. (dortmund royally ****ed that one up)
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I'd hate it if we changed to a less attacking style - regardless of whether or not it brought results.
 
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saintKlopp said:
I'd hate it if we changed to a less attacking style - regardless of whether or not it brought results.
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agree.

the difference in watching rafa's side winning where a chance falls to torres and bang and watching klopp's side making 20 chances and missing 18 of them is massive. (if blood pressure raising at times)
 
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saintKlopp said:
I'd hate it if we changed to a less attacking style - regardless of whether or not it brought results.
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Honestly, I don't care if we play less attacking as long as we win. Some of the most exciting games I've ever seen were 0-0 draws in the second leg of Champions League games under Rafa where all we needed was a clean sheet to progress.

Attacking style is great for the neutral though... And I suppose more likely to enlarge the fan base with newbies.
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
I do wonder if taking over from Klopp would be same as taking over from Ferguson or taking over from pep. Such massive expectations and almost a poisoned chalice?
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Every Liverpool manager has huge expectations placed on him because it's one of the biggest jobs in football. Whoever takes over from Klopp will have the same expected of him. I would like Klopp to keep extending his stay but the reality is that he will leave one day. I would like to see Ljinders given the job before Gerrard. It would be the new version of the boot room saint refers to. That, for me is the way forward.

I think Gerrard is confident in his ability and I'd like to think has more sense than Lampard had in taking on a job that he isn't/wasn't ready for. Top jobs require a longer apprenticeship.
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
I do wonder if taking over from Klopp would be same as taking over from Ferguson or taking over from pep. Such massive expectations and almost a poisoned chalice?
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What if Klopp left but the rest of his team stayed?

Part of the Fergie / Man Utd problem was too much change at once. Moyes changed the entire coaching team
 
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Blue Potato said:
Honestly, I don't care if we play less attacking as long as we win. Some of the most exciting games I've ever seen were 0-0 draws in the second leg of Champions League games under Rafa where all we needed was a clean sheet to progress.

Attacking style is great for the neutral though... And I suppose more likely to enlarge the fan base with newbies.
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I have always preferred attacking, free-flowing football. We've shown with several teams down the years that it can bring success, so imo everything else is second-best.
 
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