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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Bozz, Jun 17, 2011.

  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    there will be but the only evidence thus far we have is klopp saying he is happy with his squad.

    We have fabinho henderson thiago jones milner keita, ox, elliott. 8 for six slots

    We have salah jota firmino mane, ORIGI, MINAMINO. i thikn given we will see out lads off to ACON a decent forward is something we should be thinking about equally.

    If we have money theres a barca 18 year old midfielder i would rather we went and took in the firesale.
     
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  2. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Klopp always says he is happy with the squad...

    And if anyone genuinely believes it, or believes that the squad is fine, then you can't complain about injuries or not winning the league and CL come end of the season.
     
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    SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Klopp is t exactly going to say that we really need players.

    Sure, we have numbers but the depth of reliable, quality players simply isn’t there to sustain a title challenge imo. You just need to look at City’s bench vs Spurs to give you an indication of what we’re up against. We need two more decent signings imo amd there are plenty of good players out there atm.
     
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  4. Thus Spake Zarathustra

    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

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    Yeah, last year's strategy. Considering we ended up third and retained CL status, all aspirations were attained. FSG's anyway. <wizard>
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    As i said the only evidence we have is klopp saying what he said.

    I haven't commented on believing it and made my opinion on where to buy crystal clear.

    My view here is expectations are being set. Of course klopp has to back his squad. but the cut the cloth to measure message has been pumped at his for a year now.

    So unless both origi and shaqiri go we won't buy anyone IMO. shaqiri is awaiting his move. nobody is in for origi. the rest are just after thought type loans etc.

    All the renato sanchez, Saul etc etc etc stuff are noise.

    Maybe something will break and then great but right now the balance is pointing towards business done.

    Our reserve team right now is half decent but forwards are weak.

    Kelleher
    Williams gomez Konate Tsimikas
    Elliott Milner Keita
    Minamino Jota Joes

    Or move jones and elliott etc etc.

    I didn't even put ox in!
     
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  6. Thus Spake Zarathustra

    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

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    On a free transfer. Who will preferably play for nothing. :bandit:
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    oh yeah, like Messi was supposed to for barca except those pesky rules prevented him from doing. he was crying literally all the way to his new bank in paris.
     
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  8. SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING

    SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING Well-Known Member

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    thankfully, not too long to wait to see now then!

    then we can start speculation about who we sign in January <whistle>
     
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  9. Thus Spake Zarathustra

    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

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    So, talking of transfers and spending:

    Uefa's FFP era is over and who drives what comes next? PSG president Nasser Al-Khelaifi
    The system will be remodelled by the very clubs it sought to control after Super League debacle leave Europe's old powers in the cold

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    Nasser Al-Khelaifi holds all of the power in the European Club Association CREDIT: Getty Images
    The nine contrite clubs of the European Super League quietly came back into the fold on Monday, returning to membership of the European Club Association (ECA) that they once used and abused as cover for that failed breakaway in April.

    It was, to put it bluntly, one more stage of the reintegration back into civilised society of Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur, Atletico Madrid, Inter Milan and AC Milan. Somewhere on the margins, the last remaining Super League fugitives, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus, are still considering their options. It must be getting desperate out there, and while their fragile alliance is holding for now, it will not be easy to see the European game remodelled in their absence.

    On September 10 and 11 the stakeholders of European football, its biggest clubs, and Uefa, will meet in Nyon to discuss the future – and everything is up for grabs. The end of financial fair play (FFP), as we know it, the abolition of the two places in the Champions League that were to be awarded post-2024 on coefficient – the built-in safety net for underperforming big clubs to qualify in spite of a bad season. All the rebel clubs will have a say, even the nine still on remand for bad behaviour, but only one of them can lead the ECA, which is the key negotiator for the clubs with Uefa.

    The new president of the ECA, who succeeded Andrea Agnelli of Juventus, currently hanging out at the bandits’ outpost with Real Madrid and Barcelona, is the Paris Saint-Germain president Nasser Al-Khelaifi. He is now the most powerful man in the talks with Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin in shaping the future of European competitions, its calendar, its rules, its financial restraints on big clubs – or lack of them. The former Qatari tennis pro, and television executive who rose to be the face of the nation-state PSG project is one of the game’s most influential people.

    Al-Khelaifi had, to use the parlance, a good Super League. PSG’s reluctance to join the original breakaway, along with Bayern Munich, put him on the winning side and in prime position to step into the void in European football politics while a lot of expensive suits from a lot of famous clubs had their reputations torched. Now he finds himself as the lead voice in negotiating the replacement for FFP, the luxury tax which proposes a levy on any spending above a certain level. For the man who has signed Neymar, Kylian Mbappe and Lionel Messi in the last four years this is indeed a fortuitous turn of events.

    The end of FFP most likely came with Uefa’s defeat to Manchester City at the Court of Arbitration for Sport last year, a governing body defeated on appeal on the very rules it devised. Any lingering doubts were removed by the Covid shutdown of the game, and the necessary relaxing of FFP to allow owners to inject funds. For ten years, Uefa, at the instigation of its former president Michel Platini argued over what was legitimate spending and legitimate revenue with a series of upwardly mobile clubs, most notably twice with PSG and City. That is now over. “We are operating in a new financial reality,” says Ceferin.

    Yet at this crucial juncture, the old money clubs that sought to curtail the rise of the new generation find themselves sidelined. As he did over the post-2024 reforms to the Champions League that were in train before the great Super League betrayal, Ceferin typically prefers to negotiate with the great mass of European clubs large and small via the ECA chairman. Once that was Agnelli. Now it is Al-Khelaifi. The rest of the game awaits the outcome.

    The luxury tax has its flaws. For a club with bottomless spending power its cost may just become another part of the calculation, along with inflated salaries and exorbitant agents’ fees. How will its redistribution work in preserving the balance of competition at the top of the game? A small slice of a luxury tax premium will be very welcome for a club struggling along with Covid debts in one of Europe’s lower tiers. But what meaningful difference would it make to the competitive edge of a club like, Borussia Dortmund, who will have to face on the pitch a free-spending, luxury tax-paying opponent?

    Uefa needs the big clubs back on side. There is still a legal battle with the Super League rebel three, and Uefa also needs to see off Fifa’s plans for a World Cup finals every two years and a potential Champions League rival in the expanded Fifa Club World Cup. Uefa won the life and death battle over the Super League but it is in no position to dictate. It is both a competition organiser and a governing body, two roles that were much more natural bedfellows in decades past. Now it has to balance curbing the spending of clubs with marketing its marquee competitions to broadcasters for the most lucrative possible contracts.

    All this points towards a new era of loosening of regulation – even encouraging clubs to spend greater amounts, when a luxury tax is taken into consideration, rather than less. Ceferin is trying to obtain emergency funding for European football, a package of up to €6 billion including loans. He is not in a position to discourage the wealthiest from spending money, especially if some of it trickles down to the hardest-hit. Uefa has always argued that FFP has created a much more stable European football landscape over the last decade, even if it has proven hard to enforce at the very top of the game. It has also not saved every club from making bad decisions, Barcelona being the most obvious example.

    What replaces it will not be a move to less spending but more, while the Super League calamity has changed the political face of the game. When the music stopped in a year of betrayal and backroom deals, it is PSG and their chairman who find themselves negotiating the end of the rules that have restricted them the most.

    Rather ****s up FSG's model, doesn't it? So, we're basically Newcastle without the stripes, trying to cling to CL qualification as opposed to staying in the Prem. Oh Brave New World. :emoticon-0114-dull:
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Its really hilarious that UEFA sought to break the G14 power then handed all the power to a single oil doping club.

    Thats what they did to hold off the ESL but PSG just played them like a fiddle
     
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  11. Thus Spake Zarathustra

    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

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    Depressing, really, that effectively the sugar-daddy and big-debt clubs are the future, and the future is a closed, expensive shop. But in all honesty, only depressing because we're not in it. Ah well, another 30 years whining (me anyway) and the odd cup run to look forward to. :emoticon-0169-dance
     
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  12. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    I get the impression you don't rate our Harve very highly <whistle>
     
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  13. SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING

    SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING Well-Known Member

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    I’ll be lucky to last 30 years but I’ll whine 30 years worth regardless <whistle>
     
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  14. Thus Spake Zarathustra

    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

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    Good man. That's the spirit. <cheers>
     
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    No, it's depressing because it stinks. It would still be thoroughly depressing if we were part of it.
    Football as I grew up with it - a game for the people - is lost forever.
    At the top level, of course.
     
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  16. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    he is a squat little **** with a chavvy haircut and beard.

    Its a fact. I never stated any opinion on his fabulous football potential
     
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  17. SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING

    SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING Well-Known Member

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    unfortunately Saint, it hasn’t been a game for the people for a very long time. The fact that I am still here, interested in every aspect of our club shows how much they can get away with and still expect us to follow them. I despise what has happened….yet here I am
     
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  18. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Are you disappointed that we're part of the Champions League?
     
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    Me too - but we're here despite what's happened, not because of it. Footie gets in your blood and it's hard to get rid of it.
    All I'm saying is that I don't want to be part of the thing I'm criticising, it's bad enough as it is without going the whole hog.
    I'm content that we buy judiciously in comparison to the oil clubs, we can still compete.
     
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    It's vastly over-inflated, and I think the current format is no more than packaging a product to sell to a global audience who have no real connection to the clubs they're watching. And it looks like it's going to get worse.
    But that isn't the point I'm making. Donga said it (the dominance of oil-rich clubs) is depressing because we're not part of it, and I'm saying it would be just as bad if we were (actually I'd hate it even more).
    I'm talking about the state of top-level football, our position in it is irrelevant to the point.
     
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