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Milnermino Lamborini said:
You need to separate what an entity outside the club does with a computer from what we do with our data lead approach to running the club. You also need to understand that we are run more like a software startup where you iterate and make improvements from the mistakes and errors that we make which fail but fail forward. You learn more in failure than you will ever learn in success as by eliminating the errors, you achieve close perfection.

What I always find interesting is how people will pick Keita who is the exception rather than the rule in how even the best intentions can go wrong. His is one of a fitness issue and therefore we can now iterate and improve the models to validate parameters that were not included in his signature. The club even went ahead and hired Andreas Schlumberger who is a fitness and recovery expert to salvage not just Keita but assist players recover and avoid recurrent injuries. This is what we do i.e. continuous improvement.

You mention Thiago another player who has been criticized using a population sample where he lacked a pre-season, got covid, had Richarlison almost end his season, and by the time he was coming back, he found a team in disarray. It is easy to criticize what happened last season if you do not apply context. All I am asking is that we allow the club to do what it does and success will not be far from the corner. Avoid making references to what was done in the past and accept we live a different one.

If you have time have a look at these articles and videos on Liverpool and their data approach. They will give you a good insight into some of the happenings at the club.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/magazine/soccer-data-liverpool.html

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We have a far more efficient transfer policy now than we've ever had, and judicious additions are better than a player merry-go-round every window. I think this is one thing the owners are experienced at and have got it about right (though their PR skills still leave a lot to be desired, imo).
In Klopp they have the perfect manager to work with their policy. He's a team builder, not a player collector.
Of course we all love to see exciting new signings, and a lot of fans get frustrated by what they see as a lack of action due to complacency, but there's no point in comparing us to clubs who appear to have a limitless budget, we just aren't run that way. I don't believe it's complacency, merely pragmatism.
The oil-rich clubs have created a transfer market that only they can keep up with (unless like Man U you can service a lot of debt) and it doesn't mean we are abrogating responsibility because we're unable to do the same.
Donga is a good bloke, but he has it in for FSG in a big way, so it's natural for him to see things a bit differently. He's not alone.
 
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Judging by what klopp has said I don’t think he’s against signing new player this window but publicly he’s not exactly gonna come out and say yeah we’re desperate to try get a new midfielder in.

what he’s said is we pretty much need to free up space and not due to the need to sell to buy, but due to space in the squad. Mito’s mentioned a few times. We already have 17 foreign players so we can’t sign anyone else without leaving someone out the squad unless they are home grown which ain’t gonna happen due to the English tax on players plus who is actually available that would improve us?

Given we can’t afford to be paying someone 70k a week to not even be part of the squad, seems silly to sign anyone now.

I think it’s obvious shaq is on his way (just details of fee to agree) and if we can move origi I’d imagine we’d get at least 1 midfielder/forward player in to replace them and leaves a space for potentially January reinforcements.
 
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Plus we had a lot of contracts expiring in next 2 years which has clearly been the focus this season. Keep your best players, or at least tie them down to long term deals to maximise their value.

I think we all agree signing fab, robbo, vvd, alisson, TAA to new deals this year is far better business than leaving a couple of them to go into the final year of their deal (think fab, alisson, vvd only had 2 years left).
 
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InBiscanWeTrust said:
Plus we had a lot of contracts expiring in next 2 years which has clearly been the focus this season. Keep your best players, or at least tie them down to long term deals to maximise their value.

I think we all agree signing fab, robbo, vvd, alisson, TAA to new deals this year is far better business than leaving a couple of them to go into the final year of their deal (think fab, alisson, vvd only had 2 years left).
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Klopp likes to build and develop, he did the same at Dortmund. It's also pretty much been the club's modus operandi for as long as I can remember. Personally I'm glad we aren't turning into a club that buys all the latest flavours of the month.

Fans can get frustrated at the lack of transfer activity but it's mostly directly linked to what our rivals are doing. As said above, you keep an eye on your rivals but you don't let them dictate the way you do business. I think we will have at least one more incoming. If we don't I won't fret. I trust Klopp and I trust the team.
 
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Liverpool were offered around £10m for Neco Williams during the Euros and were open to the idea of selling him if he pushed for a move but that hasn’t happened. [James Pearce]
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Liverpool were offered around £10m for Neco Williams during the Euros and were open to the idea of selling him if he pushed for a move but that hasn’t happened. [James Pearce]
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Although he's unlikely to make the grade in the long run we're a bit short in that department so may be a good idea to hold onto him for now - just in case. Presumably he's not consuming a huge portion of the wage budget.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Liverpool were offered around £10m for Neco Williams during the Euros and were open to the idea of selling him if he pushed for a move but that hasn’t happened. [James Pearce]
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Home grown, no real cover at RB if he goes. I think would be silly to sell him now even if he doesn’t make the grade with us. If TAA gets injured then I wouldn’t want Gomez playing there as going forward he just doesn’t offer anything. Williams may not be the best defensively and offensively but at least he offers something from an offensive position.
 
saintKlopp said:
Although he's unlikely to make the grade in the long run we're a bit short in that department so may be a good idea to hold onto him for now - just in case. Presumably he's not consuming a huge portion of the wage budget.
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My ideal transfer window would have included signing a back up to Trent. I get what you're saying though, we're short at RB so selling an option who can play there would be silly but £10m for a player who really isn't going to make it at the club is good business.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
My ideal transfer window would have included signing a back up to Trent. I get what you're saying though, we're short at RB so selling an option who can play there would be silly but £10m for a player who really isn't going to make it at the club is good business.
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But not if we have to pay more for someone who is equally only going to figure in an emergency, or cup games we're not arsed about.
 
saintKlopp said:
But not if we have to pay more for someone who is equally only going to figure in an emergency, or cup games we're not arsed about.
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hopefully we could get another kostas style option at RB. Ideally, we would get someone who can play RB but cover other positions as well.

We need to try and rotate Trent more this season but we pretty much have no viable option (that includes neco).
 
On the midfield replacement, one of the talking points has been about Gini minutes played. The question should be with no major injuries last season, does he play all those minutes?

With sufficient CB cover and having learnt to trust the system rather than makeshift CBs from midfield, we should have cover for thr absence of Gini.
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
Home grown, no real cover at RB if he goes. I think would be silly to sell him now even if he doesn’t make the grade with us. If TAA gets injured then I wouldn’t want Gomez playing there as going forward he just doesn’t offer anything. Williams may not be the best defensively and offensively but at least he offers something from an offensive position.
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Plus the demands on a player playing FB is greater, it would be riskier for Gomez
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
hopefully we could get another kostas style option at RB. Ideally, we would get someone who can play RB but cover other positions as well.

We need to try and rotate Trent more this season but we pretty much have no viable option (that includes neco).
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Id hope if games are won, coukd give him 10-15 minutes rest every other week or something. Just small amounts but over season would add up and keep him fresher.
 
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Milnermino Lamborini said:
On the midfield replacement, one of the talking points has been about Gini minutes played. The question should be with no major injuries last season, does he play all those minutes?

With sufficient CB cover and having learnt to trust the system rather than makeshift CBs from midfield, we should have cover for thr absence of Gini.
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I think even with him our strongest midfield 3 would have been Thiago fab Hendo but we never got chance to play that other than 1 game v Everton when Thiago then got injured.

Not saying Gini wasn’t a key player, his reliability and performances were brilliant and in an injury hit season, having that stability was huge for us, especially his leadership. But agree in terms of going into this season if he was here and everyone fit i wouldn’t have expected him to start as many games as did last year
 
In the end guys again you have to look at the homegrown and club grown quotas for the prem and Europe and the 17 foreign slots

We don't have open slots for anyone to to come and we do not at this point have a lot of club trained players over 21.

Kelleher has massive value for us imo as a decent gk who is club trained.
Trent is another but being a worldie as well its doubly important.
Jones fills a slot but is only 20.
Williams x2 are also.

We need 4 as uefa force you to have them or just go without.

We then have henderson, Ox, milner and gomez.

These guys have value just by their nationality or time spent at the club, even if they fill in.

So again biggest disappointment? Adrian getting another year as a foreign player and no 17 so nobody else can join.

However a choice between that and 25mil for a bang average keeper who was trained for 3 consecutive years before age of 18 in England... I'll take adrian
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
In the end guys again you have to look at the homegrown and club grown quotas for the prem and Europe and the 17 foreign slots

We don't have open slots for anyone to to come and we do not at this point have a lot of club trained players over 21.

Kelleher has massive value for us imo as a decent gk who is club trained.
Trent is another but being a worldie as well its doubly important.
Jones fills a slot but is only 20.
Williams x2 are also.

We need 4 as uefa force you to have them or just go without.

We then have henderson, Ox, milner and gomez.

These guys have value just by their nationality or time spent at the club, even if they fill in.

So again biggest disappointment? Adrian getting another year as a foreign player and no 17 so nobody else can join.

However a choice between that and 25mil for a bang average keeper who was trained for 3 consecutive years before age of 18 in England... I'll take adrian
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Just have to look at Ramsdale. An ok keeper who has been relegated twice in an row for 2 diff teams yet is commanding a fee upwards of 25m. Wouldn’t be half that if he wasn’t English.
 
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InBiscanWeTrust said:
Just have to look at Ramsdale. An ok keeper who has been relegated twice in an row for 2 diff teams yet is commanding a fee upwards of 25m. Wouldn’t be half that if he wasn’t English.
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Wouldn't get 5mil for him imo. You are dead right.

If we back kelleher we are looking for some 35 year old who's going to work on the training ground and be grateful for the wage. Another lonergan.
 
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