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Nozzer said:
The positive side of me thinks that this is an opportunity for Minamino to get some more game time in the Premier League under a decent manager who's managed to bring the best out of some players. As I said to Libby, if the next few months go well for him then it could be a really good deal for all concerned.

The negative side of me says that he's been here a year now and, for whatever reason, despite several injuries to other players can't break through to play regularly, apparently being behind the likes of Shaqiri and Origi. He's 26, so not really up and coming anymore. Most damningly, Klopp isn't one for loaning out players he sees as long-term options, which suggests that as things stand he's not going to make it with us. If he doesn't do well, then that could be the end of him here. Or he'll at best be another Origi who never really plays but hangs around for ages. If he scores for us in the Champions League final I'll be happy enough though.:emoticon-0105-wink:
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It’s an interesting one with Minamino. He played outstandingly against us and we bought him cheap. Since then, he just hasn’t settled and looks lightweight in the premier league. Perhaps he just had more space and less physical stuff in Germany. Anyway, I hope he gets game time and improves, at the very least, his valuation will increase.
 
Fell bit bad for him though, no English and then had the pandemic hit, looked like Billy no mates at the trophy presentation. Further lockdowns, no friends or family to visit I assume. Struggled to make his mark and now sent off to Southampton.

Reminder he played very well against Palace and then never again, even with us playing **** he didn't play. ****ing lazy **** Origi even started ahead of him
 
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Libby said:
We've got no money mate. This is a late desperate signing from us so I wouldn't be expecting anything more to come out of it.
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Dont think anyone has much tbh mate, this Covid **** hit the overall transfer spending massively this time.
 
jaffaklopp said:
Fell bit bad for him though, no English and then had the pandemic hit, looked like Billy no mates at the trophy presentation. Further lockdowns, no friends or family to visit I assume. Struggled to make his mark and now sent off to Southampton.

Reminder he played very well against Palace and then never again, even with us playing **** he didn't play. ****ing lazy **** Origi even started ahead of him
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Not necessarily sent, he could have requested to go out on loan to get minutes
 
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I was busy last night so the news this morning was a tad unwelcome . These new blokes better have brought their rabbits foot , lucky sixpence etc with him or i give them about a fortnight before being crocked .
 
Should fit in well in saints system having come through RB system similar to the manager so a good club for him to go to. Should get some game time given saints injury problems atm as well and long having moved on
 
SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING said:
It’s an interesting one with Minamino. He played outstandingly against us and we bought him cheap. Since then, he just hasn’t settled and looks lightweight in the premier league. Perhaps he just had more space and less physical stuff in Germany. Anyway, I hope he gets game time and improves, at the very least, his valuation will increase.
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They've moved Salzburg to Germany?? <yikes>
 
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Just a word on the tweet that Davies made about scousers. It was made in 2013 to his good scouse mate Alan Scurry, a fellow scholar player at PNE at the time, also tagging in Josh Amis, another scouser and scholar. Davies went on to get a contract from Preston and Scurry and Amis were released. They are still friends. Anyone trying to read something into it, don't bother, it was a joke between them. I can understand him deleting it, without context it could need explaining. A bit like Doherty deleting his love of Arsenal tweets from his youth after joining Spurs.

Stirrers always want to stir.
 
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johnsonsbaby said:
Just a word on the tweet that Davies made about scousers. It was made in 2013 to his good scouse mate Alan Scurry, a fellow scholar player at PNE at the time. Davies went on to get a contract from Preston and Scurry was released. They are still friends. Anyone trying to read something into it, don't bother, it was a joke between them. I can understand him deleting it, without context it could need explaining. A bit like Doherty deleting his love of Arsenal tweets from his youth after joining Spurs.

Stirrers always want to stir.
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Difficult to say anything these days, especially online and especially anything that goes against the small drop down list of 'approved opinions'; it's mostly the fault of the internet itself and how that has coerced people into altering their behaviour, or allowed them to. If you do choose to express yourself then you can and should expect whatever you say to be misconstrued, accidentally or deliberately, or just manipulated and twisted. I'm not talking about people who put genuinely and intentionally hateful stuff on there, they should be called out and dealt with, but even with that there are problems around intent and motivation sometimes, I guess. Then there are those who are just fuelled by agendas which seems to be most of social media and even comments sections under newspaper articles. Best to not bother with it at all, especially if you've got any kind of public profile which tbf can be anybody now, from your local supermarket employee all the way up to global celebrities.
 
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lfcpower said:
Difficult to say anything these days, especially online and especially anything that goes against the small drop down list of 'approved opinions'; it's mostly the fault of the internet itself and how that has coerced people into altering their behaviour, or allowed them to. If you do choose to express yourself then you can and should expect whatever you say to be misconstrued, accidentally or deliberately, or just manipulated and twisted. I'm not talking about people who put genuinely and intentionally hateful stuff on there, they should be called out and dealt with, but even with that there are problems around intent and motivation sometimes, I guess. Then there are those who are just fuelled by agendas which seems to be most of social media and even comments sections under newspaper articles. Best to not bother with it at all, especially if you've got any kind of public profile which tbf can be anybody now, from your local supermarket employee all the way up to global celebrities.
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Very good post.

The problem with tweets like this one is that it was made when the lad was 17, an aspiring footballer as were the other two, Scurry and Amis, who the comment was directed at. The other two didn't make the grade, Davies did so his historic tweets can and will be used against him while the other two have no worries for any response they may have made. I'm sure the last thing on Davies's mind was to check out his Twitter account before signing the contract. It goes with the territory now and in fairness to him, he's been on Twitter 8 years and made just 100 tweets so he's hardly into 'banter' like Pogba for example.
 
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On these new signings.

None of us really know fully how player recruitment works at the club, although Klopp did recently say that he doesn't have control over it. But everyone involved in recruitment will be talking to each other, so I don't think Davies or Kabak have come out of nowhere.

I imagine they're players we have been watching for different reasons, as is the case with all players we have an ongoing interest in. So we'll be interested in different players in different ways, some of them we possibly never even expect to sign but are monitoring in case they do something at their current level and current club that changes that opinion, others we will definitely be looking to bring in sooner or later.

In Davies and Kabak we seem to have two types of player, Davies likely being somebody we were just keeping half an eye on - he's English so helps with the quota, he's also got enough skill and something about him, however limited in terms of the talent we already have, to warrant that continuing interest - until a situation exactly like this one developed. Kabak being a player we were inevitably going to sign, as far as I can tell - young, lots of potential, very good, favourable stats. Not just yet, until the current situation happened.

So their signings have become necessities, but it's not panic buying. I doubt that they're blind buys, players we've just shut our eyes and landed a finger on a list for. Although the last minute nature of acquiring them might make it appear like that. And we will have a list of course, but it will be carefully curated I imagine. At the top (although that's maybe the wrong way of looking at it as there are many dependent factors) you have the likes of VVD since we're talking defenders, and at the lower end guys like Davies.

For me, paying 35 million to sign a player like Andy Carrol is the definition of panic buying, a guy who might turn out to be super good but currently isn't, so effectively you're not buying the actual player, more an idealised fantasy version of what he could be. You're not buying current ability. I don't think that we're a club that's so poorly run anymore that we will panic buy. These will be judicious signings that are based in real world figures in terms of performance and finances, and I think that's reflected in these realistic, modest, sensible deals, even though the world is in an incredibly bad financial and economic period for all businesses which is also affecting the market.
 
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lfcpower said:
On these new signings.

None of us really know fully how player recruitment works at the club, although Klopp did recently say that he doesn't have control over it. But everyone involved in recruitment will be talking to each other, so I don't think Davies or Kabak have come out of nowhere.

I imagine they're players we have been watching for different reasons, as is the case with all players we have an ongoing interest in. So we'll be interested in different players in different ways, some of them we possibly never even expect to sign but are monitoring in case they do something at their current level and current club that changes that opinion, others we will definitely be looking to bring in sooner or later.

In Davies and Kabak we seem to have two types of player, Davies likely being somebody we were just keeping half an eye on - he's English so helps with the quota, he's also got enough skill and something about him, however limited in terms of the talent we already have, to warrant that continuing interest - until a situation exactly like this one developed. Kabak being a player we were inevitably going to sign, as far as I can tell - young, lots of potential, very good, favourable stats. Not just yet, until the current situation happened.

So their signings have become necessities, but it's not panic buying. I doubt that they're blind buys, players we've just shut our eyes and landed a finger on a list for. Although the last minute nature of acquiring them might make it appear like that. And we will have a list of course, but it will be carefully curated I imagine. At the top (although that's maybe the wrong way of looking at it as there are many dependent factors) you have the likes of VVD since we're talking defenders, and at the lower end guys like Davies.

For me, paying 35 million to sign a player like Andy Carrol is the definition of panic buying, a guy who might turn out to be super good but currently isn't, so effectively you're not buying the actual player, more an idealised fantasy version of what he could be. You're not buying current ability. I don't think that we're a club that's so poorly run anymore that we will panic buy. These will be judicious signings that are based in real world figures in terms of performance and finances, and I think that's reflected in these realistic, modest, sensible deals, even though the world is in an incredibly bad financial and economic period for all businesses which is also affecting the market.
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This goes with your previous post about words getting twisted and inferences being made that aren't entirely true.
Klopp said he doesn't make the final decisions, and that he never has. It doesn't mean that he has no input, just that someone else holds the purse strings - which is pretty obvious really. He did say they all discuss things on a more or less daily basis but he doesn't decide on who we buy or when.
There isn't anything radical in this, but media love to find something to write about.
 
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