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[saintanton]

I'll be honest MITO - your reaction is exactly what the Echo was after. Rather than checking out if there was any sensationalism (happens when translating all the time) in the story, you've gone full circle and ripped Emre.

He has a contract which he is fulfilling. His performances are inconsistent but that is the same as has been for him since he joined. Is it fair to suddenly say this season it's all down to him wanting to leave?

Perhaps he is seeking a big move, but jumping to that conclusion, lambasting him without knowing the facts would make you look incredibly foolish if he decided to stay. Juve are offering money, titles and all the benefits of Italy over England (e.g. weather). I'd prefer him to stay, he has room for improvement etc. but I wouldn't start the s*** smear campaign over this.

At this point, he holds the cards and can delay as much as he so wishes. Clubs use tactics like this all the time and we back them for 'business sense' but when a player uses them - he's greedy/disloyal/egotistical.

They're grown men with decisions to make about a five-year contract in a career that lasts around 15 years. Players are entitled to care about money - they're human.

I wouldn't disagree with any of that, tbh - until the last sentence.
No offence, but it does make me laugh (and not in a nice way) when I see people trying to equate the lives of footballers with ordinary workers. Of course if you earn say, 20k p.a. and someone offers you 30k you'd be expected to take it. However, top footballers earn more in a year than most of the people who provide them with that lavish lifestyle will see in their lives. Their 15 year career is no impediment, more a massive privilege as they are then set up for life and can do whatever they like for the rest of their days. Of course they miss out on a few years of adolescent faffing about because they have to obey a strict regime, but having accepted the coin then they have to accept what is required to go with it.
I fully understand that if a player has no emotional attachment to a club then they can go wherever they feel happiest, but I do think the money-chasing is a manifestation of greed or ego. I prefer to think it's the latter, because I imagine if a player looks at someone earning significantly more than them it stings a bit - and they're brought up in the "You're worth it" entitlement culture of today.
Quite frankly, they should wake up every morning and marvel at how bloody lucky they are.
Tbf, I think there are many who do understand it, and there are many who put satisfaction above the accumulation of wealth - but they aren't the ones who hit the headlines.
I have no idea whether any of this applies to Can, btw - I just think it's a general point that needs making now and again.

 

[DirtyFrank]

Don't really care what his thoughts and motivations are. Same as Hendo ....neither good enough at the actual thing they are paid to do; at a time when we can afford upgrades.

Can can think the world of us or think Juve are the best thing since....what he does on the pitch is what I rate him on.

I've said it before, I find players kissing the badge, telling us how much they love us and how the teams got to pull out all the stops in midweek interviews incredibly irritating if they go missing regularly on the pitch.

I know it's PR work and they are sent out by the club to do it but it's faff.

As for him going on a free? Well he bucked the trend of young players signing a renewal..... we can afford it occasionally.

 

[jaffaSlot]

Think we all agree it would be nice if he stayed, but not the end of the world when he goes.

On his day he is better than Henderson, so I do prefer him as an option. It just highlights our need for additional midfielders as well as Keita.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I'll be honest MITO - your reaction is exactly what the Echo was after. Rather than checking out if there was any sensationalism (happens when translating all the time) in the story, you've gone full circle and ripped Emre.

He has a contract which he is fulfilling. His performances are inconsistent but that is the same as has been for him since he joined. Is it fair to suddenly say this season it's all down to him wanting to leave?

Perhaps he is seeking a big move, but jumping to that conclusion, lambasting him without knowing the facts would make you look incredibly foolish if he decided to stay. Juve are offering money, titles and all the benefits of Italy over England (e.g. weather). I'd prefer him to stay, he has room for improvement etc. but I wouldn't start the s*** smear campaign over this.

At this point, he holds the cards and can delay as much as he so wishes. Clubs use tactics like this all the time and we back them for 'business sense' but when a player uses them - he's greedy/disloyal/egotistical.

They're grown men with decisions to make about a five-year contract in a career that lasts around 15 years. Players are entitled to care about money - they're human.

Ah maybe i dunno. I don't think my impression of him has changed and i will admit to putting their quotes in inverted commas to stimulate a bit of action here. I've said the same about his contract situation since last year TBH. I really don't get why he's run it down this far. seems a bit personal risk.

However he is a bit lazy in lesser games you must admit.

If he is just waiting to see if we are in CL next year (i doubt it personally) then he's been quite cheeky to juve and juve have been cheeky commenting on him.

Is there not a point where you've held the cards and the hand is over (january) and you are still holding the cards when you found everyones moved on? (as in juve buy someone else) or worse you find yourself with a leg in a brace with no contract.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Don't really care what his thoughts and motivations are. Same as Hendo ....neither good enough at the actual thing they are paid to do; at a time when we can afford upgrades.

Can can think the world of us or think Juve are the best thing since....what he does on the pitch is what I rate him on.

I've said it before, I find players kissing the badge, telling us how much they love us and how the teams got to pull out all the stops in midweek interviews incredibly irritating if they go missing regularly on the pitch.

I know it's PR work and they are sent out by the club to do it but it's faff.

As for him going on a free? Well he bucked the trend of young players signing a renewal..... we can afford it occasionally.

I found vvd v everton very cheeky

the thing that REALLY annoys me is the club website publishing articles form players after a loss saying bullshit about pulling together. complete gets my goat. I have largely stopped using LFC website now as a result. (ergo that means the club loses the marketing opportunities)

I actually perfer Can's atttidue which is place of work . I do x irrespective of its day zero or last day on job. You are employee and you do the job then move on... fine.. coiutinho was a bit less professional but still put in effort.

Others such as di maria or costa or quite a few have been serious unprofessional to get thier way.

as i've said.

a) stimulate

b) i don't get why its march and he's signed nothing.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Think we all agree it would be nice if he stayed, but not the end of the world when he goes.

On his day he is better than Henderson, so I do prefer him as an option. It just highlights our need for additional midfielders as well as Keita.

agreed

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

Don’t get me wrong, Can isn’t a world beater. He’s a solid player for us and there are others who I rather get rid of first.

What annoys me is that we’re losing him on a free and then the cost to replace him.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Don’t get me wrong, Can isn’t a world beater. He’s a solid player for us and there are others who I rather get rid of first.

What annoys me is that we’re losing him on a free and then the cost to replace him.

It does seem there is a shift that way though (and the Germans generally do run down contracts).

Matip, Meyer, kolisinac, Goretzka, lewandsowki. First and last aren’t German but at German clubs.

See Sanchez do same here, does make you wonder wih clubs now not needing to sell because they’re getting richer, player power is less of a thing so way to regain that power is run down your contract.

Woukdnt surprisecme to see lot more freebies over the next few years.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

It does seem there is a shift that way though (and the Germans generally do run down contracts).

Matip, Meyer, kolisinac, Goretzka, lewandsowki. First and last aren’t German but at German clubs.

See Sanchez do same here, does make you wonder wih clubs now not needing to sell because they’re getting richer, player power is less of a thing so way to regain that power is run down your contract.

Woukdnt surprisecme to see lot more freebies over the next few years.

ballack.. the list is very long. they treat it like employment and started exploiting bosman rule very early.

What we have to see from clubs is early engagement on contracts and a sale policy if 24 months out.

Frankly the players who are best have most power as you cannot afford to break them by not playing them.

I agree on frees. Players should exploit it.

Take VVD. signed a new 6 year contract cos agent got a nice fee form it at southampton 4/5 motnhs into his original deal. bit stupid tbh.

If you are on your way up you should really only sign what you are happy to get for the period and if expect to move why sign 5 year deal at smaller club. sign 3. put in option to renew rather than 5 years

But anyway... it all has to be balanced by maximising earnings verses risk.

My example could be several players Casiraghi for exmaple. played very breifly for cheslea before getting horrible injury. Haaland assaulted by keane. Carzorla for arsenal

Imagine getting those injuries with 6 months or 3 month left on our deal.. you are on your own.

Hell ibrahimovic was in effect looked after by utd completely unnecessarily as his deal was out last july and was injured. Lucky boy imo

 

[johnsonsbaby]

I wouldn't disagree with any of that, tbh - until the last sentence.
No offence, but it does make me laugh (and not in a nice way) when I see people trying to equate the lives of footballers with ordinary workers. Of course if you earn say, 20k p.a. and someone offers you 30k you'd be expected to take it. However, top footballers earn more in a year than most of the people who provide them with that lavish lifestyle will see in their lives. Their 15 year career is no impediment, more a massive privilege as they are then set up for life and can do whatever they like for the rest of their days. Of course they miss out on a few years of adolescent faffing about because they have to obey a strict regime, but having accepted the coin then they have to accept what is required to go with it.
I fully understand that if a player has no emotional attachment to a club then they can go wherever they feel happiest, but I do think the money-chasing is a manifestation of greed or ego. I prefer to think it's the latter, because I imagine if a player looks at someone earning significantly more than them it stings a bit - and they're brought up in the "You're worth it" entitlement culture of today.
Quite frankly, they should wake up every morning and marvel at how bloody lucky they are.
Tbf, I think there are many who do understand it, and there are many who put satisfaction above the accumulation of wealth - but they aren't the ones who hit the headlines.
I have no idea whether any of this applies to Can, btw - I just think it's a general point that needs making now and again.

If I could just pick up on the 15 year career theme I'd like to add some thoughts.

Yes, as you rightly say, footballers are massively financially compensated for by having a limited playing career. I can't really disagree with what Lil_Jatt said about them being entitled to care about money, I just wouldn't link that 'care' with the limited time they have to earn it. Rather than see the 15 years as a chance to see how much money they can accumulate, I'd see it as a limited time to fulfil a playing ambition and maybe therefore navigate a route from club to club until the individual arrives at their 'destination'. LFC is a destination for some but not all.

What irks me are the players who put money ambition before playing ambition and are prepared to follow the money regardless of where in the world it takes them and how many benches they need to warm to get it.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

If I could just pick up on the 15 year career theme I'd like to add some thoughts.

Yes, as you rightly say, footballers are massively financially compensated for by having a limited playing career. I can't really disagree with what Lil_Jatt said about them being entitled to care about money, I just wouldn't link that 'care' with the limited time they have to earn it. Rather than see the 15 years as a chance to see how much money they can accumulate, I'd see it as a limited time to fulfil a playing ambition and maybe therefore navigate a route from club to club until the individual arrives at their 'destination'. LFC is a destination for some but not all.

What irks me are the players who put money ambition before playing ambition and are prepared to follow the money regardless of where in the world it takes them and how many benches they need to warm to get it.

TBH for me it comes down to lifestyle. They have 10/15 years to earn a lifetimes money if they are inclined to do nothing for the rest of their lives.

Right now most ex footballers still earn a crust doing work. the last 5/10 years guys are not needing to unless unwise with money.

They are exposed to every bad influence as well in agents etc egging them on as well.

I can understand your point and feel that for the "better" players who have that ambition. there are some quite driven individuals.

Lets look at luke shaw.

According to sources at southampton and utd they have to basically drive him like a stubborn mule every day to get anything out of him. did he move to utd for the big dream or the big pay day. what motivates him. why does mourinho hate him so much.

who knows.

Look at chiravella who wanted 10k a week off us or he was off so he goes form lfc to norwich to brentford. who's influneced him to demand big money? wher eis he headed in his mind?

Look at pogba telling utd to stuff it and finding a club who will play him and winning 4 titles as a result. Why has he come back to utd? He was passed round every big club to make his agent massive money and was in effect stripped out of juve by agent to make the deal. Real, barca, PSG all turned down the fee involved. Utd ponyed up and he went back. Good move for him? not right now.

he is now cosying up to PSG to get another move.


I don't mind a player looking after no 1 at all. As long as he adopts the attitude that he gives the full total effort each and every game as thats what he is paid to do.

thats why IMO suarez and coutinho were worth their fees to barca but sanchez isn't worth a third of the wages he's got from utd. he's atttidue at arsenal stank this year. and it showed for chile and for now utd. not fit, not at it.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

final example

Julian draxler.

why did he got to psg.. we made him an offer and he went there instead and now we are back in for him?

shows where we are doesn't it... if true.

happy to be that bench warmer you mentioned JB.

 

[Salah's-left-foot]

I wouldn't disagree with any of that, tbh - until the last sentence.
No offence, but it does make me laugh (and not in a nice way) when I see people trying to equate the lives of footballers with ordinary workers. Of course if you earn say, 20k p.a. and someone offers you 30k you'd be expected to take it. However, top footballers earn more in a year than most of the people who provide them with that lavish lifestyle will see in their lives. Their 15 year career is no impediment, more a massive privilege as they are then set up for life and can do whatever they like for the rest of their days. Of course they miss out on a few years of adolescent faffing about because they have to obey a strict regime, but having accepted the coin then they have to accept what is required to go with it.
I fully understand that if a player has no emotional attachment to a club then they can go wherever they feel happiest, but I do think the money-chasing is a manifestation of greed or ego. I prefer to think it's the latter, because I imagine if a player looks at someone earning significantly more than them it stings a bit - and they're brought up in the "You're worth it" entitlement culture of today.
Quite frankly, they should wake up every morning and marvel at how bloody lucky they are.
Tbf, I think there are many who do understand it, and there are many who put satisfaction above the accumulation of wealth - but they aren't the ones who hit the headlines.
I have no idea whether any of this applies to Can, btw - I just think it's a general point that needs making now and again.

I don't think footballers will ever see money like that. They are in with big money and will expect a lifestyle to reflect their celebrity status. I can understand the fan's concerns - it's not as if LFC are offering him peanuts. Then again, that's assuming money is Emre Can's only driver in choosing his future team.

Ah maybe i dunno. I don't think my impression of him has changed and i will admit to putting their quotes in inverted commas to stimulate a bit of action here. I've said the same about his contract situation since last year TBH. I really don't get why he's run it down this far. seems a bit personal risk.

However he is a bit lazy in lesser games you must admit.

If he is just waiting to see if we are in CL next year (i doubt it personally) then he's been quite cheeky to juve and juve have been cheeky commenting on him.

Is there not a point where you've held the cards and the hand is over (january) and you are still holding the cards when you found everyones moved on? (as in juve buy someone else) or worse you find yourself with a leg in a brace with no contract.

He has been lazy to an extent - I agree. But I don't think the links made between performances - moving on - cash, are necessarily accurate.

If I could just pick up on the 15 year career theme I'd like to add some thoughts.

Yes, as you rightly say, footballers are massively financially compensated for by having a limited playing career. I can't really disagree with what Lil_Jatt said about them being entitled to care about money, I just wouldn't link that 'care' with the limited time they have to earn it. Rather than see the 15 years as a chance to see how much money they can accumulate, I'd see it as a limited time to fulfil a playing ambition and maybe therefore navigate a route from club to club until the individual arrives at their 'destination'. LFC is a destination for some but not all.

What irks me are the players who put money ambition before playing ambition and are prepared to follow the money regardless of where in the world it takes them and how many benches they need to warm to get it.

World-class players that choose moves to clubs like PSG irk me the most in that respect.

TBH for me it comes down to lifestyle. They have 10/15 years to earn a lifetimes money if they are inclined to do nothing for the rest of their lives.

Right now most ex footballers still earn a crust doing work. the last 5/10 years guys are not needing to unless unwise with money.

They are exposed to every bad influence as well in agents etc egging them on as well.

I can understand your point and feel that for the "better" players who have that ambition. there are some quite driven individuals.

Lets look at luke shaw.

According to sources at southampton and utd they have to basically drive him like a stubborn mule every day to get anything out of him. did he move to utd for the big dream or the big pay day. what motivates him. why does mourinho hate him so much.

who knows.

Look at chiravella who wanted 10k a week off us or he was off so he goes form lfc to norwich to brentford. who's influneced him to demand big money? wher eis he headed in his mind?

Look at pogba telling utd to stuff it and finding a club who will play him and winning 4 titles as a result. Why has he come back to utd? He was passed round every big club to make his agent massive money and was in effect stripped out of juve by agent to make the deal. Real, barca, PSG all turned down the fee involved. Utd ponyed up and he went back. Good move for him? not right now.

he is now cosying up to PSG to get another move.


I don't mind a player looking after no 1 at all. As long as he adopts the attitude that he gives the full total effort each and every game as thats what he is paid to do.

thats why IMO suarez and coutinho were worth their fees to barca but sanchez isn't worth a third of the wages he's got from utd. he's atttidue at arsenal stank this year. and it showed for chile and for now utd. not fit, not at it.

I agree with this. Especially the last part. I just don't think its necessarily fair to apply all of this to Emre. I think Jimmy had it bang on that at most the thing that should annoy us is that we get no fee and have to fork out to replace him.

 

[SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING]

We're in for Wiltshire now apparently.

So the hacks are having an quiet day today then

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I don't think footballers will ever see money like that. They are in with big money and will expect a lifestyle to reflect their celebrity status. I can understand the fan's concerns - it's not as if LFC are offering him peanuts. Then again, that's assuming money is Emre Can's only driver in choosing his future team.



He has been lazy to an extent - I agree. But I don't think the links made between performances - moving on - cash, are necessarily accurate.



World-class players that choose moves to clubs like PSG irk me the most in that respect.



I agree with this. Especially the last part. I just don't think its necessarily fair to apply all of this to Emre. I think Jimmy had it bang on that at most the thing that should annoy us is that we get no fee and have to fork out to replace him.

yeah I don't think anything would say he doesn't try i just think he's been consistent over time he's dropped the levels in games we should be winning. I think yes we have to replace but then again win some lose some as we got matip and milner that way and were linked to de vrj. (sp?)

 

[jenners04]

We're in for Wiltshire now apparently.

So the hacks are having an quiet day today then

Heard about that lol.

We are allegedly monitoring his contract situation.

 

[Salah's-left-foot]

Wouldn't actually be surprised if we're monitoring Wilshere. Arsenal have neglected his contract situation and he has actually been fairly good on the pitch too.

I'd take him but with Milner, Henderson, Wiji and Lallana all squad options (Keita is a guaranteed starter) - do we really need another squad option?

 

[Salah's-left-foot]

yeah I don't think anything would say he doesn't try i just think he's been consistent over time he's dropped the levels in games we should be winning. I think yes we have to replace but then again win some lose some as we got matip and milner that way and were linked to de vrj. (sp?)

Guess so. De Vrij would be an amazing signing.

 

[Garlic Klopp]

Wilshire is a nasty piece of work with his sneaky fouls, he is also very injury prone. He has pulled out of the England squad due to injury today. I would not want him at LFC, and we do not need him

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Wilshire is a nasty piece of work with his sneaky fouls, he is also very injury prone. He has pulled out of the England squad due to injury today. I would not want him at LFC, and we do not need him

I agree. I don't like saying this about somebody I don't know but I can't stand the lad and I don't want him at any price [or free].