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Tobes said:
Barnsley are in the Championship mate <whistle>

I get the point though, which is why I mentioned balance, you can't rely on a strategy of buying solely those sorts of player, you need to take proven players that can go straight into the first team. Albeit how many players are signed these days from abroad in the £5-10m bracket that you barely see get a game?
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It was an example and Barnsley are in the 2nd division [HASHTAG]#oldschool[/HASHTAG] <whistle>

dont disagree with you. I guess with a lot of foreign managers at Prem clubs, and even champ clubs, they go to the market they know best which isn't lower league England.
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
But you can spend £100m on potential when they aren't coming in to be the star of the team and first team right away. Those 3 players had De Bruyne, Silva and Aguero ahead of them when they signed. The 3 we signed for same amount had to be yeah for first team then because we don't have the same strength in the first team.
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True but it's not about becoming the star of the team - it's about improving the first team.

There really wasn't a star in our team when we were firing - everyone was pulling their weight.
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
It was an example and Barnsley are in the 2nd division [HASHTAG]#oldschool[/HASHTAG] <whistle>

dont disagree with you. I guess with a lot of foreign managers at Prem clubs, and even champ clubs, they go to the market they know best which isn't lower league England.
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There's plenty of talent in England. Problem is that other countries are more willing to use these players for the first team in the top league. With such experience and more importantly, patience, it's no wonder why they develop quicker than English players.

Look at Karius - criticised and scrutinised after a few games in a new league and fans want us to sign a new keeper. Can had a good last season but struggled this season and people want him gone.
 
Tobes said:
Buying young talent from the lower leagues in this country was something that used to be [HASHTAG]#standard[/HASHTAG]

However, it went out of fashion as clubs chased Carlos Kickaball's from around the globe.

I'm pleased to see that some have woken up to the opportunity again. In recent times we've taken Stones, Holgate, Calvert Lewin and now Lookman (who I think is going to become a real star if he keeps his focus) Ok the failure rate amongst this sector is high, but you negate that risk if you do your homework, and that's were great scouting comes in.
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true
 
BobbyD said:
The point is, apart from Sane who looks a real gem, Jesus who has looked good but been in the league for 2 games and Sterling who they massively overpaid for and is probably worth around 20 million and Stones who is the worse defender i've ever seen... also followed by the following flops who were young and turfed aside like:

Mangala - 40m
Nastasic - 12m
Roberts - 11m
Balotelli - 24.5m

Alongisde sterling and stones if you got any one of those 6 you'd be spitting feathers about why you are wasting so much on youth who have not achieved anything.

Draxler i can agree with you, guys won trophies and was a key part of the German team. Any of those above at them prices and you could end up with Markovic and you wasting all your money
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and don;t forget hindsight is a wonderful thing

Nobody really knows if the LFC "excuse" of wages to high is just a ego thing that the guy had no intent of joining us or what it was. Jimmy should be grateful LFc might have even been looking at the guy... cos.. well thats what jimmy wants isn't it.

LFc to look at players he likes.

Oh and markovic? that was michael edwards the thick **** going mad with suarez money and flashing it about.

Markovic fits the bill perfectly no? young player with some experience LFc buy him.. jimmy calls him elite talent.. he turns out to be a cowardly phishead.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
There's plenty of talent in England. Problem is that other countries are more willing to use these players for the first team in the top league. With such experience and more importantly, patience, it's no wonder why they develop quicker than English players.
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This ^

They're never going to develop into quality PL players, if you never play them in the PL!

Which takes us to the root cause, which is the lack of time managers get these days to build a team. I think the average tenure of a PL manager now is around 91 games in total. No wonder they're reluctant to take a chance on youth is it?
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
and don;t forget hindsight is a wonderful thing

Nobody really knows if the LFC "excuse" of wages to high is just a ego thing that the guy had no intent of joining us or what it was. Jimmy should be grateful LFc might have even been looking at the guy... cos.. well thats what jimmy wants isn't it.

LFc to look at players he likes.

Oh and markovic? that was michael edwards the thick **** going mad with suarez money and flashing it about.

Markovic fits the bill perfectly no? young player with some experience LFc buy him.. jimmy calls him elite talent.. he turns out to be a cowardly phishead.
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Thanks for proving my point - completely writing off a player after his first season when a) manager didn't want him in the first place and b) was hardly used in his right position.

There's no chance any young player will succeed if that's the level of support they receive. Now I'm not saying he would have turned out to be a success but at least give
Him a chance in the right environment.

And I still rather spend £20m on arguably one of the most talented youngsters in football at the time than £35m on an 'experienced' Belgian striker who didn't fit our profile or style of player required.
 
Tobes said:
This ^

They're never going to develop into quality PL players, if you never play them in the PL!

Which takes us to the root cause, which is the lack of time managers get these days to build a team. I think the average tenure of a PL manager now is around 91 games in total. No wonder they're reluctant to take a chance on youth is it?
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It's a shame there's no time and patience in building clubs and having proper plans in place. Soton and Swansea (up until recently) had great strategies and styles.

Alternatively, you could do what Red Bull are doing and buying a small club, completely destroying history, rebranding the identity, investing in good young players.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
It's a shame there's no time and patience in building clubs and having proper plans in place. Soton and Swansea (up until recently) had great strategies and styles.

Alternatively, you could do what Red Bull are doing and buying a small club, completely destroying history, rebranding the identity, investing in good young players.
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What Swansea and Soton have done is clever. They've created an infrastructure that encompasses their academies and player recruitment that is untouched if they choose to recruit a new manager. They therefore don't have complete upheaval when they dispose of a manager. Ok the manager of the day has a say in who comes in, but he can't change the entire backroom setup. That in itself creates a level of continuity, but it still doesn't solve the problem of them actually playing the youth.
 
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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
It's a shame there's no time and patience in building clubs and having proper plans in place. Soton and Swansea (up until recently) had great strategies and styles.

Alternatively, you could do what Red Bull are doing and buying a small club, completely destroying history, rebranding the identity, investing in good young players.
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Probably the only good thing out of that team. Really hated by the rest of the league and rightly so, but they are fighting for the title with no superstars. Although that Emil Forsberg looks a talent. Would snap their hands off for him. <ok>
 
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I see we are being linked with Gray from Leicester. He looked a good prospect at Birmingham and takes a really good corner, which none of our squad seem able to do, but would still be another for the future type of signing.

At the right price it would be worth a punt.
 
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Garlic Klopp said:
I see we are being linked with Gray from Leicester. He looked a good prospect at Birmingham and takes a really good corner, which none of our squad seem able to do, but would still be another for the future type of signing.

At the right price it would be worth a punt.
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If his corners are worth £10m alone, buy him.
 
Tobes said:
What Swansea and Soton have done is clever. They've created an infrastructure that encompasses their academies and player recruitment that is untouched if they choose to recruit a new manager. They therefore don't have complete upheaval when they dispose of a manager. Ok the manager of the day has a say in who comes in, but he can't change the entire backroom setup. That in itself creates a level of continuity, but it still doesn't solve the problem of them actually playing the youth.
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excellent point. Though i would go further as to say the player recruitment is well integrated int othe coaching picking.

I totally agree on the upheaval part being terrible for clubs but i nthe end both clus are also selling clubs.

We have seen at chelsea an issue where... well... players don't move on all the time so the players start thinking they stay and managers go and then stop trying then laugh as the club plummets unitl a new manager gets appointed.

Southampton have the pleasure of selling their best players on so turnover has meant they've not had to deal with that either.

Continuity at the top is good. senior players on high wages acting the cock is not and thats where the guys at the top have to be strong and senior enough to get shut of players. I've seen too many sporting directors sacked while players remain and all.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Continuity at the top is good. senior players on high wages acting the cock is not and thats where the guys at the top have to be strong and senior enough to get shut of players. I've seen too many sporting directors sacked while players remain and all.
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That's nothing new though, it just needs strong leadership.

Ferguson was the best there's been in the modern era at dealing with exactly this issue.

Ince, Beckham, Stam, Cole etc, all shipped out when they stepped over the line or got too big for their boots.

The exception was Cantona, who came back and won him the league.....and then got ****ed off.
 
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Tobes said:
That's nothing new though, it just needs strong leadership.

Ferguson was the best there's been in the modern era at dealing with exactly this issue.

Ince, Beckham, Stam, Cole etc, all shipped out when they stepped over the line or got too big for their boots.

The exception was Cantona, who came back and won him the league.....and then got ****ed off.
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yes but then he left and it turned to ****.

it must be above his role
 
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