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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Bozz, Jun 17, 2011.

  1. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid Forum Moderator

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    It was an example and Barnsley are in the 2nd division #oldschool <whistle>

    dont disagree with you. I guess with a lot of foreign managers at Prem clubs, and even champ clubs, they go to the market they know best which isn't lower league England.
     
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  2. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    True but it's not about becoming the star of the team - it's about improving the first team.

    There really wasn't a star in our team when we were firing - everyone was pulling their weight.
     
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  3. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    There's plenty of talent in England. Problem is that other countries are more willing to use these players for the first team in the top league. With such experience and more importantly, patience, it's no wonder why they develop quicker than English players.

    Look at Karius - criticised and scrutinised after a few games in a new league and fans want us to sign a new keeper. Can had a good last season but struggled this season and people want him gone.
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    true
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    and don;t forget hindsight is a wonderful thing

    Nobody really knows if the LFC "excuse" of wages to high is just a ego thing that the guy had no intent of joining us or what it was. Jimmy should be grateful LFc might have even been looking at the guy... cos.. well thats what jimmy wants isn't it.

    LFc to look at players he likes.

    Oh and markovic? that was michael edwards the thick **** going mad with suarez money and flashing it about.

    Markovic fits the bill perfectly no? young player with some experience LFc buy him.. jimmy calls him elite talent.. he turns out to be a cowardly phishead.
     
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  6. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    In conclusion - we need to buy players who fit our style of football. <ok>
     
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  7. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    This ^

    They're never going to develop into quality PL players, if you never play them in the PL!

    Which takes us to the root cause, which is the lack of time managers get these days to build a team. I think the average tenure of a PL manager now is around 91 games in total. No wonder they're reluctant to take a chance on youth is it?
     
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  8. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for proving my point - completely writing off a player after his first season when a) manager didn't want him in the first place and b) was hardly used in his right position.

    There's no chance any young player will succeed if that's the level of support they receive. Now I'm not saying he would have turned out to be a success but at least give
    Him a chance in the right environment.

    And I still rather spend £20m on arguably one of the most talented youngsters in football at the time than £35m on an 'experienced' Belgian striker who didn't fit our profile or style of player required.
     
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  9. Zingy

    Zingy #ziggywould

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    Anyone would think that you don't like Edwards. <whistle>
     
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  10. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    True - it's not like he helped get us players like Coutinho, Sturridge, Firmino etc.

    It is funny how no one mentioned the transfer committee when we were winning.
     
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  11. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    It's a shame there's no time and patience in building clubs and having proper plans in place. Soton and Swansea (up until recently) had great strategies and styles.

    Alternatively, you could do what Red Bull are doing and buying a small club, completely destroying history, rebranding the identity, investing in good young players.
     
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  12. Tobes

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    What Swansea and Soton have done is clever. They've created an infrastructure that encompasses their academies and player recruitment that is untouched if they choose to recruit a new manager. They therefore don't have complete upheaval when they dispose of a manager. Ok the manager of the day has a say in who comes in, but he can't change the entire backroom setup. That in itself creates a level of continuity, but it still doesn't solve the problem of them actually playing the youth.
     
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  13. Zingy

    Zingy #ziggywould

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    Probably the only good thing out of that team. Really hated by the rest of the league and rightly so, but they are fighting for the title with no superstars. Although that Emil Forsberg looks a talent. Would snap their hands off for him. <ok>
     
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    On a serious (cereal?) note, we are being linked to a South American DM known for his crunching tackles. Sounds a bit nuts.

    Go's by the name Granola.........anyone heard anything?
     
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    I see we are being linked with Gray from Leicester. He looked a good prospect at Birmingham and takes a really good corner, which none of our squad seem able to do, but would still be another for the future type of signing.

    At the right price it would be worth a punt.
     
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    If his corners are worth £10m alone, buy him.
     
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  17. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    excellent point. Though i would go further as to say the player recruitment is well integrated int othe coaching picking.

    I totally agree on the upheaval part being terrible for clubs but i nthe end both clus are also selling clubs.

    We have seen at chelsea an issue where... well... players don't move on all the time so the players start thinking they stay and managers go and then stop trying then laugh as the club plummets unitl a new manager gets appointed.

    Southampton have the pleasure of selling their best players on so turnover has meant they've not had to deal with that either.

    Continuity at the top is good. senior players on high wages acting the cock is not and thats where the guys at the top have to be strong and senior enough to get shut of players. I've seen too many sporting directors sacked while players remain and all.
     
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  18. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    That's nothing new though, it just needs strong leadership.

    Ferguson was the best there's been in the modern era at dealing with exactly this issue.

    Ince, Beckham, Stam, Cole etc, all shipped out when they stepped over the line or got too big for their boots.

    The exception was Cantona, who came back and won him the league.....and then got ****ed off.
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    yes but then he left and it turned to ****.

    it must be above his role
     
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  20. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    He ran that club from top to bottom on the football side, it was always going to turn to ****, as he was a complete enigma
     
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