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This is just about a return on investment. If, for example, the allowed for a £5 rise in ticket prices this year, it would deliver £25m over 5 years. (£5 x 50,000 seats x 20 home games x 5 years). If they want the stadium to be self-financing, ticket prices will pay a key role. Of course.....we want the big stadium AND cheap (ish) tickets but the two are difficult to divorce I'm afraid.
No lads tbh i have been saying this ever since the protest
The letter they published showed how hurt they were.
10k walked out but more than that the game cost us europa spot and the crowd screamed greedy bastards at fsg as they did so.
Which was something i felt was going way to far and i believe they ended any anfield road end plans that day.
They have less than a year to put in detailed planning to council now.
I am doubting they will reading this.
Imo they know they can fill the seats but will not build while this insult remains in their minds
The letter they published showed how hurt they were.
10k walked out but more than that the game cost us europa spot and the crowd screamed greedy bastards at fsg as they did so.
Which was something i felt was going way to far and i believe they ended any anfield road end plans that day.
They have less than a year to put in detailed planning to council now.
I am doubting they will reading this.
Imo they know they can fill the seats but will not build while this insult remains in their minds
The submitted plans for Annie Road development show very limited corporate space thus reducing revenue per seat.
How much would a ticket price increase offset this? ...
How much would a ticket price increase offset this? ...
Theres none included and all the public services under the road need to be moved too
The comment at the time was it was a marginal investment as a result which probably included increased prices.
Rumours were they were looking at squeezing in more seats than the quoted 58k to componsate
As i said however fsg are probably thinking **** this for an ungrateful shower.
If they'd walked out silently thats bad but to scream vitriolically greedy bastards at them probably will never be forgotten
Btw on rawk the same gobshites who mouth all the time are saying henry is a liar and ian ayre who had an article on the echo is a conplete lisr and its nothing to do with their protest.
Some people are just deluded. They want the yanks cash whilevbeing able to scream bile at them.
They are the equivilant of a dominatrix they want to get paid while beating their clients up... it makes them feel good.
Some people are just deluded. They want the yanks cash whilevbeing able to scream bile at them.
They are the equivilant of a dominatrix they want to get paid while beating their clients up... it makes them feel good.
Sorry I disagree.
The fans who walked out are ones who pay the entrance fee to see the club. If they feel they was taking the piss they have every right to voice their opinion.
Most watch Liverpool on sky,BT sport, links etc these people pay to enter the ground.
If the owners don't like that and are reluctant to take club forward maybe they should sell up not fecking sulk.
Thats fair enough but my opinion is not that they were wrong... just that is was highly insulting to scream greedy bastards at the guys who took the club before it ended up in administration, enabled it to actually buy suarez as a result, got the club back on a decent financial footing and put a 115million interest free loan in place to enable the main stand.... Just a tiny wee bit churlish to scream greedy bastards.
Oh and hired klopp... backed klopp, put him in for the long haul.. backed every manager with money...
So they put in a £115 mill interest free loan to expand stand?
Where has the TV money gone then?
Also they are business men and brought the club at rock bottom price.
Not saying everyone is ungrateful for what they have done for our club, but what have they done dif to what any other savy businessmen would have done?
Hiring klopp was just common sense.
the TV money is a nice excuse. They put the laon in place 2 years ago to start this porject. the club didn't need go to a bank. they pumped in cash to balance the books before that when we had to write of 50mil on that white elephant in stanley park.
We broke even on transfers too... so? We lost europe so thats revenue loss....
where's everton's tv money... where's west hams?
Let me just say savy businessmen might look like Gillett and hicks or massimo chellini...
So..... FSG have done ok by us. they have been utter amateurs on the pitch side and i have zero faith in what will happen the day klopp leaves but I am just not shocked to be hearing this about the anfield road end cos frankly... I'd have said hmmmmmm **** you all on that day... a walk out ok. I'd understand given there was months of consultations and ayre obviously ignored much of it but t scream greedy bastards at me and i'd have plugged the plug too.
As they brought the club cheap and value has more than doubled writing off £50 mill has probably been quite easy considering most windows we have spent net bugger all. Also the wage bill has dropped massively.
The TV money is not a nice excuse it's a fact. I don't care what has happened to Everton. Maybe it's gone on a new stadium, but you said the owners gave a £115million interest free loan to expand stadium. So has our TV money gone to pay this off and if so why don't the club just say this is the case?
FSG are businessman who's first love is the RedSox...
Did they love LFC when they bought us? Unlikely, do they like (not love) us now, more than probable, have they made a few bad decisions, yes..
Did they apologies for those decisions, more often than not.
Have they listened to the Fans, I'd say yes, as much as most other clubs.
Have they backed their managers, yes
Have they delivered us Klopp, yes
Have they delivered us a lovely new Stand, yes
Have they made us stable on and off the pitch, yes
Are they in it for the long haul, looks like it
You lot think all that cost monopoly money? Some fans think they have a good given right to whinge and not see the big picture.
You want us to compete with the other big teams, then that will be a multiple-fold exercise.
1 - We need a good manager - Tick
2 - We need a strong, talented squad - One is being formed
3 - We need to increase our revenue - With good business deals, TV deal and stadium that's on its way to be a tick too
Next phase is to finish off the Annie Road end, continue to back the manager, all that costs money and not just money we get from the Telly!
In short, have FSG made mistakes, yes, do I want them out, HELL NO!
What they've done for my team is superb and if they've made a penny in profit along the way, then fair play..
Be careful what you wish for!
Did they love LFC when they bought us? Unlikely, do they like (not love) us now, more than probable, have they made a few bad decisions, yes..
Did they apologies for those decisions, more often than not.
Have they listened to the Fans, I'd say yes, as much as most other clubs.
Have they backed their managers, yes
Have they delivered us Klopp, yes
Have they delivered us a lovely new Stand, yes
Have they made us stable on and off the pitch, yes
Are they in it for the long haul, looks like it
You lot think all that cost monopoly money? Some fans think they have a good given right to whinge and not see the big picture.
You want us to compete with the other big teams, then that will be a multiple-fold exercise.
1 - We need a good manager - Tick
2 - We need a strong, talented squad - One is being formed
3 - We need to increase our revenue - With good business deals, TV deal and stadium that's on its way to be a tick too
Next phase is to finish off the Annie Road end, continue to back the manager, all that costs money and not just money we get from the Telly!
In short, have FSG made mistakes, yes, do I want them out, HELL NO!
What they've done for my team is superb and if they've made a penny in profit along the way, then fair play..
Be careful what you wish for!
No FSG's plans for ticket prices were ridiculous. They wanted to force a fixed percentage increase in revenue from all channels. They were completely ******ed in not taking into account the context of applying that to ticket prices means massive percentage increases for relatively poor fans, whereas the same savings could be achieved by "5 extra minutes of negotiating" with millionaire players, agents, and sponsors.
Financing a stand with increased ticket prices is also greedy. An investment is supposed to make you money over time, not day one. Unless of course once the new stadium is paid off the fans will be paid back the increase in tickets prices (plus interest) since they are effectively the ones investing in the stadium.
Judging by your comments that seems aimed at me.
Have I said I want fsg out?
I queried the TV money and where it has gone. Still not answered.
Reply was we was given an interest free loan to expand stadium. Great has this been repayed with TV money and why not confirm this?
Match goers are wrong for claiming ticket hike was wrong and this has probaby pissed them off and they may walk or be reluctant to expand further. Why if they supposedly gave an interest free loan before. Be interesting to see what is outstanding on that loan.
They have not done much dif to what any other savy businessmen would have done in my opinion.
Klopp was common sense for a big club not crap like brendan! Suarez was not breaking the bank for a worldie either.
I wouldn't call it greedy as such, just stupid. I agree with the rest of your post, btw.
I said earlier that I think FSG have done a good job and I don't want them out, but they need to look hard at this.
It's not just them, it's a problem for football in general. There's only so far a fan base which is still mostly gleaned from the relatively poorer sections of society can support the lavish lifestyles of those at the top end. This isn't simply a matter of principle (who cares about principle theses days?) it's one of pragmatism - it just can't be done.
I hear the arguments that ticket receipts are a relatively small part of a club's income these days - if that is so, then why is it even an issue?
Get the money from elsewhere.
If football wants bums on seats it has to make sure the bums can afford it.
My comments weren't aimed at anyone here mate..
I was always a bad darts player!
Sort of agreeing with most..
Just saying, yes, they are businessmen, they want to make money/profit.
But we could be run by worse businessmen and whilst they have ****ed up a couple of times, they have backed down most of the times and even apologised for not understanding the situation, are there better owners out there, maybe, are there worse owners than FSG, 100% yes..
Whilst I don't agree with everything they've done, I'm confident that with them running us, we're not going to down the road of doom and gloom under Hicks and his buddy!
I was always a bad darts player!
Sort of agreeing with most..
Just saying, yes, they are businessmen, they want to make money/profit.
But we could be run by worse businessmen and whilst they have ****ed up a couple of times, they have backed down most of the times and even apologised for not understanding the situation, are there better owners out there, maybe, are there worse owners than FSG, 100% yes..
Whilst I don't agree with everything they've done, I'm confident that with them running us, we're not going to down the road of doom and gloom under Hicks and his buddy!
no what ian ayre did was talk for months with fans and then totally ignore what they said while doing the opposite of what he was leading them to beleive by the act of his listening.
The 115mil stand will pay itself in 4 years apparently.
However the Anfield road end... this is mooted to cost about 50mil for 5000 seats. thats sounds nothing... just a big time charlie player or two. hell we made money this year on transfers why not... I wish it were that simple.
The detailed planning, enabling works and consultancy and all the environmental and community conisderations will add up to more than that 50 mil so it could be 70-75mil by the time its done.
4800 seats = 5k seats. lets keep it simple... a tick could cost 52, 47 or 43 quid on the categories.. lets call it 47 quid add say 13 quid for a bevvie... 60x5000 = 300,000 per game x 25 games say... 7.5 million per season TOTAL.
HMMMMM... so its a 10 year payback... that is a nice round number.
What we are saying is lets take a massive amount of cash and tie it up to get 5k extra seats... oh and keep giving us all the money we want for transfers and all..... oh and reduce the ticket price while you are at it ok.
The reality is if we were sitting here with the old school 2/3 local guys owning the club shares and the club having to go to the banks for this money we would be refused. thats the reality.
Also you are failing to take into account the NPV of the cash. paying out 75k now but running inflation etc over 10 years... well... the value the money dropps as a return. 10 years just to break even BEFORE inflation is accounted for sounds a pretty bad deal to me.
Simply put the increased ticket prices reduce the pay back period, makes it worth while.
sadly.... if they were actually taking cash out of the club (not loan repayment on a 115mil stand btw don't go there) I would agree with grred comments but the reailty is they are not nor expect to.
I will tell you why... cos the cash is like a dose of the runs.. it goes in one end and washes out the other in bungs, agents fees and player wages.
Its like you hire an industrial mulcher and all queue up and toss your money in the thing as you enter the ground... it just vanishes and you see very little for it cos you've ass holes like balotelli sponging millions and clubs chasing success to make you happy.... and on and on it goes.