Transfer Committee

[Super G Ted'inho]

You can't ensure that it doesn't happen though, this is football. As I said earlier all you can do is look to try & minimise the risk.

It happens to the best of them - you could draw up a list of players that were duffers for all of the top managers in the game, without exception they've all bought crap for big money.

Ultimately someone has to take responsibility for it, that's called 'life'.

Which is what we are all saying

 

[Tobes]

Of course individual signings can be high risk but I was talking more about the long term aspirations of the club. We can't afford another summer like a couple of years ago and if one man is in-charge (especially if they are self-confident / arrogant) then it is more likely to happen. I think it is better to have a policy that says two or three people need to agree to a transfer so long as the right people are involved and it is a quick process too.

You can either have the continental model were the coach has an input into, but not the ultimate say in who comes in.

Or the typical British model of the manager having full control.

This smacks of a bit of a half way house to me. If Rodgers accepts that he won't necessarily get who he might want, then there's no issue, but I can easily see this being an area of conflict. We'll see how it pans out over the summer mate.

 

[jenners04]

i take it the owners do not have the last say on anything then from now on for signings.

its simply a case of this committee knowing what their budget is and agreeing between them who and what price to try and get for players.

who asks for more money? Ayre? Brendan? all of them? if it was ever needed for that supposed special player outside of set budget.

also i take it Ayre is the spokesman for this committee, quite obvious Brendan will get asked questions by press to do with transfers, so what then, how does he reply? or is Brendan going to be the spokesman for this committee, he just needs others approval on signings first. (sounds a bit insulting to the supposed manager) although i appreciate it can also stop Brendan buying crap hopefully.

sorry for stupid questions lol head is a bit mashed today, all good though it's Friday

 

[Muppetfinder General]

Wow, this is gonna be just like the old days, when Christan Purslow signed Joe Cole and wanted to sell Lucas.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

You can either have the continental model were the coach has an input into, but not the ultimate say in who comes in.

Or the typical British model of the manager having full control.

This smacks of a bit of a half way house to me. If Rodgers accepts that he won't necessarily get who he might want, then there's no issue, but I can easily see this being an area of conflict. We'll see how it pans out over the summer mate.

Its not a half way house. As manager, BR would have the final say. He just has a support team helping him. As I said when it was Comolli and Dalglish, Kenny had the final say but DC was effectively a head scout, therefore they both had to say yes for a transfer to happen. This is a similar setup but doesn't require 100% agreement from all parties. In effect, it is more like the tradition British approach of the manager having the power regardless of the transfer committee.

 

[Tobes]

Its not a half way house. As manager, BR would have the final say. He just has a support team helping him. As I said when it was Comolli and Dalglish, Kenny had the final say but DC was effectively a head scout, therefore they both had to say yes for a transfer to happen. This is a similar setup but doesn't require 100% agreement from all parties. In effect, it is more like the tradition British approach of the manager having the power regardless of the transfer committee.

Says who?

Where has that been spelt out? as that's not how I read it, hence my posts.

 

[Foredeckdave]

That's a real 'land of milk & honey' world that you live in Dave.

Opinions on players are always ultimately subjective, the idea that a committee would all come to the same conclusions as the manager about a list of potential signings is a nonsense. There will by the nature of it be conflicts of opinion & someone will ultimately have to have to make the call, the question is, who?

I'd counter that by saying that you listen to the media too much. Any manager including Ferguson has to live with decisions that are not totally his. This player costs too much. That player doesn't want to play for you/this club. Another cannot pass the medical standards. Yet another does not have the 'right' reputation for the club. Any manager who refuses to work with the resources that are provided for him will not last too long!

Sure, somebody does have to make the final decision but I doubt that Rodgers truly believes that it is him. The power will always be with either Ayre or Henry. However, constructive discussion with a group within the club as to whom and how should be pursued so that a strategy is formulated (with options) is always to be applauded.

 

[Tobes]

I'd counter that by saying that you listen to the media too much. Any manager including Ferguson has to live with decisions that are not totally his. This player costs too much. That player doesn't want to play for you/this club. Another cannot pass the medical standards. Yet another does not have the 'right' reputation for the club. Any manager who refuses to work with the resources that are provided for him will not last too long!

Sure, somebody does have to make the final decision but I doubt that Rodgers truly believes that it is him. The power will always be with either Ayre or Henry. However, constructive discussion with a group within the club as to whom and how should be pursued so that a strategy is formulated (with options) is always to be applauded.

The media? That's patronising claptrap Dave.

There's a distinct difference between a manager having to work within budget parameters set by the CEO, medical issues, character issues of a player etc & someone questioning the judgement of the manager over his view of a players ability & suitability for his team. There's no comparison there. You mentioned Ferguson, I can't see Gill turning round to Fergie & saying "I think he's a donkey Alex, we should go for 'X'", lol, behave yourself.

You doubt that Rodgers believes that he should have the final say? Did you read that piece? As there's a direct quote from him last summer when he said " “It’s absolute madness if you are the manager of the club and someone else tells you to have that player. It doesn’t work.”

 

[Bozz]

I work within a committee management structure and it works much better than a singular person. Yes, there are a lot of meetings and they are drawn out but when a decision is made, its for the best of the company.

The same rules will apply for for this transfer committee... Rodgers and his scouts can only look and know so much.

I went on a tour of Colchester United's stadium recently and I got talking to one of their execs. he told me that the chairman holds a reception for the other sides chairman in his box (I went up there... it was very nice) but he said they do not provide visiting scouts with any hospitality... they get to go the bar in the stadium with the fans and that is all.

If the same applies at Liverpool and if our chairman is more actively involved then other chairmen, it means he'll dig a lot more as he knows what we're looking for

 

[Milk Milk]

FSG has always handled transfers at the club this way

 

[Tobes]

I work within a committee management structure and it works much better than a singular person. Yes, there are a lot of meetings and they are drawn out but when a decision is made, its for the best of the company.

With respect, a corporate committee management decisions are hardly a sensible comparison, as decisions around strategic or procedural change, can be backed by fact & are not generally emotive. Hardly the same as whether you reckon Carlos Headaball has got a sweet left foot & will link well with Stevie G.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

With respect, a corporate committee management decisions are hardly a sensible comparison, as decisions around strategic or procedural change, can be backed by fact & are not generally emotive. Hardly the same as whether you reckon Carlos Headaball has got a sweet left foot & will link well with Stevie G.

But three, four, five, etc opinions on a player is surely better than one?

 

[Tobes]

But three, four, five, etc opinions on a player is surely better than one?

Not if 2 of them thought he was ****, 2 thought he was fantastic & the other one thought he was average.......

Judging a player is always going to have a large element of subjective opinion about it isn't it? As the stats only tell you so much don't they? It's a nice theory to have a cosy committee trying to stop another Carroll or Downing, but whether it'll turn out to be a process that's productive & not divisive remains to be seen mate.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Not if 2 of them thought he was ****, 2 thought he was fantastic & the other one thought he was average.......

Judging a player is always going to have a large element of subjective opinion about it isn't it? As the stats only tell you so much don't they? It's a nice theory to have a cosy committee trying to stop another Carroll or Downing, but whether it'll turn out to be a process that's productive & not divisive remains to be seen mate.

Thats why there will be terms of reference. To state how many have to be in favour of a transfer for it to be sanctioned. In the case you said, the player doesn't get signed (unless over ruling vote belongs to the chair of that committee).

No matter what approach is taken, it is impossible to 100% eliminate the chance of a 'Downing or Carroll' happening again.

 

[Foredeckdave]

The media? That's patronising claptrap Dave.

There's a distinct difference between a manager having to work within budget parameters set by the CEO, medical issues, character issues of a player etc & someone questioning the judgement of the manager over his view of a players ability & suitability for his team. There's no comparison there. You mentioned Ferguson, I can't see Gill turning round to Fergie & saying "I think he's a donkey Alex, we should go for 'X'", lol, behave yourself.

You doubt that Rodgers believes that he should have the final say? Did you read that piece? As there's a direct quote from him last summer when he said " “It’s absolute madness if you are the manager of the club and someone else tells you to have that player. It doesn’t work.”

No it's not Tobes. Gill would turn round to ferguson and say "NO". Ferguson may not like it but he's live with it. Neither did I say that the Liverpool committee would be a democracy. Rodgers would have a major base within it. However, it would ensure that once the plans have been laid, all members would be dedicated to achieving them.

 

[Klopp's Mannschaft]

Rodgers will naturally have the final call in terms of which players we end up bidding on, but I suspect the commitee will have a final say in whether the transfer goes through, taking into account how much it'll cost to bring said player in. Then they'll move onto the next player on the list.

Commitee or not, it's Rodgers' team. He has a 'vision' (supposedly, that's what his dossier says at least) of the kind of player he needs. A commitee buying people he will never play (see Carroll) won't end well for either us or him. Because of that, he has to have last say on player choice. He'd walk if he had players being bought when he didn't want them.

 

[Flappy Flanagan (JK)]

The transfer commitee should be like the judges on Britains got Talent.

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