Sorry deedub but the instant recall is fading very fast now! I vaguely remember Greaves & Smithy both getting controversial dodgy decisions about something and that was probably the Benfica game at our place as that was the most traumatic and memorable Euro game of the lot. I've probably got all the info in my scrap books but its a bit of a chore getting it all out! It was 50 years ago & I'm not as agile as I used to be . I must say though that I do not recall our JIm having 3 disallowed in one game but that doesn't mean it didn't happen! For what its worth I think we robbed today COYS.
We do seem to suffer with a lot of these farcical toenail offside decisions, I can remember a few, Kane at Leeds last season, Son at home to Pool last season, was there one at Leicester a couple of seasons ago (can`t quite remember might have been Aurier), there will no doubt be others I have forgotten. Lots of points taken away and the dynamic of games influenced by the officiating.
In fairness we benefited from the offside stupidity v Sheffield United in 2019 and Leicester in 2020. VAR also has ****ed us over and gone in our favour. Until the standard of refereeing improves this stupidity will continue.
Disappointed feels like another loss playing so long against 10 men at least we gained a point on Pool
Watched MOTD just now and both decisions just look even worse. Say what you like about how well we played - and lets not forget we had 21 attempts which isn't bad - but give us one of those goals and the match is written off as a 10 v 11 expected result. Nobody is bothered about how well we played or didn't, kudos would be given to Soton for putting up a fight, but basically that's it. And that would have been it (if the team in question was playing in red). And the analysis of such a match if a team in red had played it, and got the result, the pundits might even dribble their usual crap about 'a good team gets a result when not playing well'. Sorry but those were horrendous decisions. VAR has no business ruling out the 'offside' goal because it wasn't a clear and obvious error (in fact there is no irrefutable evidence that it was offside anyway) but VAR did have business in telling the ref that his decision to call foul on Forster was a clear and obvious error! Basically they couldn't have got it more wrong!
Yeah will always be swings and roundabouts in my opinion. I don't believe in bias officiating as some do, I just think it's pot luck as to whether you get a ref that does their job correctly or not. Today we didn't, although I had a brief skim read of the Saints board and they were under impression we got every single 50-50 so it shows that opposing fans of the same game view the ref as being against them, most did acknowledge though that they got lucky with the two goal decisions against us. As for the standard improving, can't see it. Not sure how England manages it but we really do pick some weapons to officiate our country's (and probably Europe's) best footballing league. Constant rule changes pretty much each season don't help either, I sometimes think the refs and those in the VAR booth genuinely forget about them and that's why controversy seems to be at an all time high for all clubs. It's **** that in so many games, Spurs and non-Spurs, refs/ VAR seem to be the main talking point.
Yeah I don't think the ref was biased in any way, just that he's incredibly incompetent. The pen and Salisu second yellow is about the only thing he got right imo. And if he was biased he wouldn't have blown his whistle with us 2 on 1 at the end! In fairness to him the offside was nothing to do with him but it's a shame to see VAR go back to the mm ****. The other one was just a joke though, we all know keepers get too much protection and had he blowed 2 seconds later (after the ball went in) then I'm sure you'd have been awarded the goal. Overall though despite being unlucky I'm not sure you did enough to win the game. Didn't create anywhere as much as you should albeit we adapted well with ten men and showed a lot of character, and along with our performance first half think a draw was about right. On another note it's interesting to see some thoughts on Hojberg change on here in recent months. I took a fair bit of stick on here when I said he wasn't as good as some on here were hoping and by no means good enough where you're trying to get to.
Yeah I remember blaming you for being jealous or sumt Yesterdays stats: Possesion Saints: 35% shots: 9 on target 2 corners 3 fouls 5 Possesion Spurs: 65% shots 21 on target 11 corners 7 fouls 15 I think the tale of the tape suggests we deserved to win and created a fair amount but that doesn’t matter because it’s about scoring goals and we weren’t scoring if we played all night and looked quite **** on the eye but we always do when trying to get through 2 banks of 4 because we don’t have a nice smooth silky bastard who knows how to find the eye of the needle. over to Levy
Yeah you were one of those in mind I don't think possession stats count for a lot when one team down to ten men for over half of the match but fair point on the shot amounts. I don't remember you having that many so dunno how many were half chances or from distance but it certainly felt like you weren't putting enough pressure on us as you should, particularly in the last 15/20 mins. Maybe that's credit to us too though. I felt relatively comfortable that we'd hold on from about midway through second half which never happens lol.
I agree that we didn't play that well and that overall you did enough to get a draw. But equally if Kanes goal is given which on balance it probably should have 1-2 after 52 mins likely becomes 1-4 by the end as we play with more confidence once in front and you at some point have to come and chase a goal. But thats if's and maybes and they mean nothing and 1-1 it was and in the cold light of the next day we have to accept that all we really deserved and move on - Good luck for the rest of the season.
Is it all random chance or do some teams consistently benefit? All appearances to the contrary, I don't enjoy sounding and feeling like a conspiracy nut...I hope. The fact is that Spurs have had at least one goal wrongly denied yesterday (see the armpit rule), and a goal by Liverpool wrongly allowed (see the handball rule). Other things being equal, that's four points in the last three games dropped due to demonstrably wrong decisions. The handball was on the face of it understandable, as it happened too early in the buildup to be reviewed, from what I understand. The offsides was the result of a VAR official not knowing possibly the most basic rule he's supposed to know. The one recent BBC article on bad officiating involving Spurs concerned Liverpool, who hadn't had a man sent off in two years, complaining that Kane should have been sent off. It doesn't exactly look like a level playing field...though LIbby's point about blowing when Southampton had a 2 on 1 is a good one. The problem is that if it is all utter incompetence, why do the decisions tend strongly to benefit the most popular clubs? In any case, I should have already mentioned that Southampton deserve credit for playing well, Conte got it wrong this time, the players tried hard but didn't play well, there ought to be a limit to the number of matches clubs can play in a given period, and that for the good of the game, it shouldn't be more than three every two weeks.
Danny flippin' Murphy on MOTD! Wow! Imagine him saying that the one piece of luck that Southhampton had all match was the Doherty foul on the Forster, and that they probably deserved it! What?!? I tend to agree with Conte's assessment that the team should have buried Southampton despite the decisions, but to hear pundits utter tripe like this is disappointing.
Quite a few pundits have said the same thing, i.e. both goals should have stood but Southampton deserved the draw . Intellectual giants, they are not
Deserved is an over used word these days, with advertisers telling us how we deserve this and that. In order to deserve something you need to do something but in football it has rarely been about the game being deserved. There is always an element of luck in football but poor referee decisions are always hard felt when it costs the game. As far as I am concerned the score yesterday should have been 3 - 1 and deserved or not does not come into it, that's 2 points out of the window. I doubt we will see much effort to improve the decision making of officials because the media love to discuss the controversy caused, indeed the media has caused much of it in the first place.
Passmap time please log in to view this image That's...well that's not good, is it? The fact Reguilon is playing deeper than Davies on the left while Dele is playing deeper than Sanchez on the right, neither of which can be handwaved away by them being subbed for Doherty and Lucas respectively, does underline a large part of the non-referee issues with yesterday, as does the lack of the usual combinations on the left between Dier/Daves/Reguilon due to Reguilon being so deep, while our right side does have them but it's such a trainwreck due to not having anyone further up the pitch to receive the ball meaning there's added pressure on Emerson and Winks Harry Kane borderline playing as a CM is also an issue, which does demonstrate that he has still to break the habit picked up under the ubermensch where if the wide players aren't getting the ball forward he drops deeper and deeper to look for the ball to try and make something himself Now some of the trainwreck can be explained by looking at Southampton's passmap please log in to view this image You can see they're going hard down the right, presumably because they still think Aurier is playing there, so it's understandable that we're putting bodies in the path there - but that doesn't explain why Reguilon is also playing so deep as they're not doubling up down that flank while Forster going Route One to Long (which is what hoofball actually looks like, Norbert...) is for the CBs to deal with not Reggie
I do believe it’s random and I think to take a small sample, even our game against Liverpool shows that. In that very game both us and Pool benefited from poor officiating; Kane should’ve seen red, both teams had calls for penalties denied which on another day could/ should have been given whilst it felt like Pool were being given every 50-50 call. I see posts on here at times saying something along the lines of “we’d have never gotten that at Old Trafford or Anfield etc” but think back to some games against these sides, Lamela getting Martial sent off, Lamela’s penalty at Anfield, we have gotten dodgy calls ourselves but our own fans generally tend to overlook them. The difference though I’d say with teams like Pool and Utd is the media bias, that’s something I do believe in. The media are very heavily on the side of the very big clubs, smaller clubs than us even say we get bias media as well (which may be true to them?). Just look at the furore surrounding Kane’s non-red on Robertson and then look at the little being reported on Tyler Morton breaking Ricardo Pereira’s leg in Pool’s very next game. Chalk and cheese. And so I think that’s how some fans believe these bigger sides get more beneficial calls, in reality they don’t (or I don’t believe they do) but when the bad calls go against them there’s a much bigger uproar than there would be if it went against someone like Norwich, whereas when a bad call goes for them it’s very hush-hush or even quoted as being “the right decision”.
