I'd disagree, but I feel that I've missed the commentator narrative here. I watched the game in a pub that also had the Six Nations on with the sound for that everywhere. Whoever studded Reguilon high up should've been off and Pogba should've joined him late on. VAR is exactly what I suggested it would be when it was introduced: poor officials backing other poor officials. The initial decision in similar incidents is all that counts. One player will get a red and another will get nothing. Moss hasn't been fit for purpose for years and he gets these games anyway.
You've answer none of my simple questions. How is Ronaldo better than Kane, in your opinion? 'Not size' means that Ronaldo's performance was not the same level as Kane's. 3 vs 2 goals is one obvious difference that somehow doesn't count? I am not belittling Kane's contribution. I am not anti-Kane. I am not playing down Kane or Son in the City match, I'm simply playing up Ronaldo in this match, and noticing the difference in how clinical the players are. Ronaldo generally converts more chances to goals than Kane. He may get fewer chances but he is more clinical with them. (Son who's been more clinical than both this season also had an off game, but nobody argues when that is said. Funny that.) Of course Kane needs help, he could also be more clinical. Conte would agree with this as would Kane. Why can't both statements be true? He missed chances in both Manchester games, as did Son. (Why is this hard to believe? Ronaldo missed against us too, just not as much.) The pundits actually stated that we could have won by more against City and that United could have quite easily lost against us. Meaning we had more chances than were scored. Son fell over at a number of key moments in the United game. This was unfortunate. Conte noticed it and mentioned it in the post match talk. In a crunch match, where the game is crucial for both teams, and Tottenham arguably played better as a team than the opposition, Ronaldo is the difference maker. Yes, the defence could have been better but Dier and Maguire cancelled each other out with their errors that lead to goals, plus the entire team could have controlled the game more in key moments to help kill it, but didn't. Kane and Son are our danger men, on the day they didn't produce enough danger to win the match. Ronaldo did. Tell me where the untruth is.
And you’ve answered none of mine, works both ways. Noticed how you completely skipped the Ronaldo international glory stuff too, funny when facts get in the way, eh? Kane scored less goals against City but played far better than Ronaldo did against us. Ronaldo simply buried three chances, Kane ran the show at the Etihad and there was widespread talk of it being one of, if not the best individual performance of the season from a player so far. You clearly are belittling Kane, which is odd seeing as you once tried telling everyone Ndombele was amazing, very weird flexing going on here. Of course Ronaldo scores more goals and converts more than Kane, he’s a better player and has generally played in better teams too, though that isn’t to Kane’s detriment. Ronaldo’s better than everyone bar Messi who is his equal. But even Ronaldo (and Messi) can’t do it all on their own, even they wouldn’t have had the careers they’ve had if it weren’t for their other elite teammates. Kane’s not had that luxury. Yet again you’ve not listed the chances he’s missed against Utd. He did miss a chance against City, a great save from Ederson, easily able to remember that, still struggling to remember these squandered opportunities against Utd from him though. No one’s arguing about Son because Son isn’t the focal point of debate. Over the years it’s generally been accepted Son is very inconsistent, he goes through hot and cold patches and it’s why not many say he’s world class like they do with Kane. The defence is what cost us yesterday. Dier was awful in general and stood off for the first goal, Romero and Doherty allowed Sancho through with Reguilon playing him onside and then Romero/ Doherty lost Ronaldo for the corner. There’s no untruth in the fact Ronaldo produced a match winning display. There is however untruth in suggesting Kane squandered chances.
Difference 1: 37 year old Ronaldo is not a better player, in terms of raw ability, than Harry Kane. Not even close. Kane is by far the superior all-round player and has been for years. The difference is in the head. Ronaldo's mentality is at a level Kane can only dream of. I don't think that point is up for debate. Difference 2: The City game was not 'harder' than the United one, simply because no-one expected us to win it therefore we went into it with no pressure and the natural ability of key players was able to shine. My question is why we so rarely see that ability shine when we do play under pressure? In an earlier post I listed over a dozen examples of this across Kane's career and as he gets older and more experienced, my disappointment grows as I expect more. In a similar way to how KDB and Bernardo emerged as a proper leaders as they hit their peak years and filled the vacuum left behind by the likes of Kompany, Toure and Silva. And yes, you are right in saying the whole team is to blame for fluffing it in each of the examples I listed, but it is precisely in those moments when the going is tough and the team isn't performing that you look to your best player and leaders and hope to see that extra 10% to drag you over the line. Kane hasn't done that regularly enough, for me. And the fact that Bale was doing it on an almost weekly basis when he was 5 years younger tells us more about Kane than it does about Bale. I don't think anyone is suggesting Kane isn't a good player. I'm not talking in terms of ability. In that sense, yes he is the best player we've ever had in the PL era. I'm not going to argue with that for a second. But in terms of cold-blooded ruthlessness? Honestly the closest I think we've had to what I'm looking for, in recent seasons, is Erik Lamela. Sadly he didn't have the ability or fitness to back it up, but that is the mentality I'd like to see more of from our players. Just not phased by any occasion, always up for a fight, never backs down, does not accept defeat. Loved that about Coco and if he'd been fitter/had a right foot, he would have been one of the best players in the league. So I think we're talking at cross purposes a bit and describing totally different aspects of Kane's game.
Dude, you're being strangely and uncharacteristically childish now. So saying Kane could have played better is belittling him? Yes. Kane performed very well against City, but could have scored more. Pundits said it in praise. Not my words. Not belittlement. He would agree that he could have scored more. He scored two goals. Ronaldo scored three yesterday. Who played better is a matter of opinion. You're entitled to yours, so I won't argue with you. My point wasn't about who played better or worse, it was about who was most clinical and ruthless. Ronaldo scored more. That is the stat that matters most unfortunately. More clinical. More ruthless. I didn't use the word squandered. It's not that dramatic. He didn't threaten goal from open play as much as he could have. He would agree. Why can you not? Kane is the guy who keeps saying he wants to be spoken of in the same way as Ronaldo and Messi, hence the comparison. If Son were an English player, best believe the media would to be trying to shill him to the 'top teams' because he can't win things with Spurs, they have tried it, but he absolutely loves Spurs and is grateful for the opportunity to play for the club. Both Kane and Son were sub par. Why is this hard? Only Son can be subpar? GTFOH Did Kane run the game against United? Why not? Does that not mean he had a subpar game, being that he is so incapable of inconsistency unlike Son? Ronaldo played like he would rather die than lose to Spurs. That level of killer instinct, ruthlessness and determination were missing from Kane's game by comparison. My original point had nothing to do with international glory, hence me focussing on my point. Ronaldo has won the European championship with Portugal. Despite being subbed of in the final, it was very much believed that he drove them into the final with his presence and performances. As soon as England do this with Kane anywhere near the team, he will be worshipped up and down the land, trust me. We won't hear the end of it. Even if he never plays in the champions league again. We are still singing songs about Bobby Moore in 1966 for goodness sake. P.S. My point also has nothing to do with Ndombele. (The levels of deflection! )
Raw ability isn't the sole determining factor to define who's a better player though. If we went on raw ability then someone like Adel Taarabt would essentially be better than 95% of the midfielders/ attacking midfielders in Europe, he was capable of skills that Ronaldinho would've been envious of but it's about elevating that game with various different aspects. Ronaldo is a far superior player to Kane and I'm okay with that, what I'm not okay with is people seemingly playing down Kane's importance, quality and/ or allowing the lesser negatives to overshadow the overwhelming positives. The City game was absolutely harder, you've said it yourself no one expected us to win. I don't think many expected us to beat Utd either but we had a better chance and if our defence didn't forget their jobs then chances are we'd have left Old Trafford with at least a point. Defensive mistakes can’t be attributed to Kane not turning up. You listed over a dozen instances of Kane not stepping up, yet you could easily list 100s of instances where he has - and this is where my initial gripe comes from, the idea he doesn't turn up enough isn't true, it's just that when he doesn't turn up there's no one else that does and therefore people overly scrutinise it. When Ronaldo, Messi, Lewandowski, Mbappe etc all don't turn up in games, they often have someone else that does. I've listed about five games where Ronaldo didn't turn up yet in every one of those games Portugal or Madrid still prevailed and that's where it's tougher for Kane because when Kane doesn't turn up, we generally lose and then when we lose, fans get pissed and look for someone to blame. That's where one of the biggest differences for Kane as a player and Tottenham as a club have in comparisons to other world class players and their clubs. Lamela has that South American ****housery about him, similar to Romero but I don't think he was essentially a mentally stronger or superior player to Kane, for instance don’t think Kane would be any better or different if he had Lamela’s mindset.
Yes: the rapist and the person he raped The fact that the texts between Ronaldo, his lawyers and Mendes never once even bring up how he;s been falsely accused and immediately go straight to "How much do we pay her to make this go away?" is an armada of red flags on its own, even before Ronaldo himself straight up saying she said "NO" and he ignored her
Pass map time please log in to view this image Well that makes it abundantly clear what one of the problems was: Romero was the only player routinely getting the ball to Kane, Hojbjerg and Bentancur were only getting the ball to Deki, and nobody was getting the ball to Son (presumably due to him falling over constantly) coupled with both flanks turning into the Bermuda Triangle as the ball was making its way to Doherty and Reguilon often enough but on the right it never came back out again while on the left it wasn't getting any further than Hojbjerg and Bentancur (at least I assume it's Bentancur, the mass of lines in that area means I genuinely can't make out if Reguilon's second arrow is going through to Bentancur or Romero) And this is where our front three being hesitant in the final third bit us, because if they were clinical when they did get chances then space would have opened up, but because they weren't then space didn't open up and our midfield continued playing in front of them while our defence sought to find new and innovative ways to forget who was marking who
Paying someone off doesn’t equal guilt though. Just as I can’t say for certain he’s innocent, you can’t say for sure that’s he’s guilty
"She said no and stop several times." "She didn't complain about it being brutal. She complained that I forced her. She didn't say anything about wanting to go to the police." I don't have to say that he's guilty: he already did
Yeah I’m definitely the childish one for pointing out inconsistencies in your posts whilst you use emoji’s at the end of your post to make a point… You said he missed chances against Utd, that is the same as saying someone squandered something. How can he agree to something that didn’t happen? He can’t say he should’ve scored more if he didn’t have the chances to score. You initially responded to my post to CK saying if Kane was more clinical we would have won 5-2, name those chances where he should’ve been more clinical then, it shouldn’t be difficult. You clearly either remember things I don’t or you’re making it up. Where have I said Kane played well against Utd? You’re arguing against things in your head with that and then thinking I’m the one saying it. Of course Kane didn’t run the game yesterday but he’s not going to run every single game he’s in - no one does. Ronaldo didn’t run the game when Pool tanked them 5-0 or City 2-0, why didn’t Ronaldo show he’d rather die in those games? Or maybe is it because his teammates were also unable to step up which therefore left him isolated? Just like for the majority of the last two or three seasons here at Spurs that has been the case for Kane. If he doesn’t step up, rarely anyone else will. Then when he doesn’t step up, people question whether he’s world class or not clinical or not mentally strong enough… Portugal won with Ronaldo’s presence despite the fact the winner came when he was off the pitch… ermmm, ok sure. I thought it was only fair to bring Ndombele into it because I find it weird you’d defend a guy that’s done nothing but dig out someone that’s done loads for us.
Fella. I'm done. I've clearly made my very simple point already. This is uneccessary over talking. I have nothing to prove to you. Highlights are there for a reason. If you think that Kane vs City or Man U was just as ruthless, and clinical as Ronaldo vs us, that's your opinion. You're welcome to it. Have a good day sir!
Arsenal, West Ham and United all extend their leads over us and Wolves over take us. Unlike many spurs fans I want at least ECL football next season so an either place finish will be really disappointing.
I’ve said before and many disagree and I can see why they do but, a season without Europe usually helps the PL campaign massively. Less chance of injuries and gives the manager a lot more time between matches and this is something I think Conte will really benefit from.
Better chance of getting into the Champions League. Take Arsenal for example, they’re gonna finish 4th and imo no European football has hugely helped them as it allowed them to keep a settled side as they didn’t need to rotate. Even if you look at it financially, two seasons of Conference League and then a season in Europa still doesn’t come anywhere close to one season in the Champions League group stage.
I think many of us thought that this season was almost a write off anyway. It was going to be about revamping the squad and once Conte joined that was clearly where we were. For me the success will be if Conte stays and manages Spurs next season. The law of averages suggest we will make some decent signings in the Summer and push on more solidly next season. IMO Conte has already improved the squad and has clearly identified who needs to go and where we need to strengthen. I think we quickly forget how low we had sunk and how boring watching Spurs had become, then Nuno failed to make an impact (apart from a winning smile) but now at least I believe we are on the way back. In effect we are playing a different game under Conte and when you change your game and try to improve, the final brick in that wall is consistency. We need to be consistent in keeping this manager and practice more, then consistency will arrive as if by magic.
