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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Manchester City

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Best way to tolerate the commute there too...
     
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  2. deedub93

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    Ever heard of putting something away for a rainy day?

    And most people have to tighten their belts when the buy a new house, particularly when the house is the finest one in town.

    Both of the above generally pay back big in the longer term.
     
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  3. BobbyD

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    I believe that's the Mike Ashley way. Spend big when it looks like Newky might go down else just make do
     
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  4. remembercolinlee

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    tbh I think that defensively we played quite well and made them look average by their standards...no mean feat with our injury problems...hopefully (Jan apart) we will have a fully fit match ready squad for our NLD and Chelsea matches!
     
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  5. Spurf

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    That's a distortion Spurlock and what's with the extremely <laugh>. Nobody said they don't want to win trophies, I am sure we all do, we just don't judge everything by how many cups and think it's simplistic to do so. If you are saying that we have adopted the American standard that draws are meaningless and the only result is to win then you are right, more and more people have adopted that value.

    My view is a little different, as there are so few cups and leagues and so many teams it seems to be a complete waste of time if you are only interested in cups and league titles because most teams will simply not win them and certainly not every year. It is bollocks put out by the media who say something when there is in effect nothing to say. They don't like silence so they make a noise, pointless or not.
     
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  6. KingHotspur

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    Hasn’t paid back big for Arsenal has it?

    They have a new stadium but ask their fans if they preferred titles and Highbury to now and I’m sure they will say the former.
     
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  7. remembercolinlee

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    Tbh Spurlock that is a big pile of poo of an argument and is beneath you unusual bitch wit!

    1) old gits like me remember us being terribly run financially wise in the 1980s. We built a hugely expensive stand, paid out big transfer fees on players that flopped and had to be moved on and ended up nearly going bankrupt in 1991. Only winning the FA Cup and selling Gazza saved us along with Sugar taking ownership.

    2) Levy took over as we lost Campbell and this had a horrible effect on the club.
    He made sure that our star players could not leave for a pittance or for free in future.
    During the 1990s we would sell players for very little...Teddy Sheringham was sold to United for £3.5m in 1997 <yikes>
    No matter how the media want to pretend we make it bloody hard for any one to get our players and to do so they pay a premium. And that is down to Levy.
    No player goes unless they kick off and even then only if we get what we want financially.

    3) He backed Hoddle, Santini, Jol, Ramos, Redknapp, AVB and Pochettino in the transfer market but does not spend what we do not have.

    Wums claimed Redknapp would bankrupt us cos of West Ham, Portsmouth and Southampton all going into or near bankruptcy but we had a chairman who backed him but also knew how to balance the books.

    As a result we have gone from utter dross...remember losing 6-1 at home to Bolton, Sheffield United and losing 4-3 to a ****e 10 man Manchester City side after being 3 up?
    Or wishing we would see European football again? Or wishing we could see free flowing football? Wishing we could come above Ipswich, Bolton, Charlton, Middlesbrough Newcastle or West Ham?
    From 1988 until 2006 it was awful apart from winning the cup in 1991, the league cup in 1999 and a decent ish season (coming 8th and fa cup semi finalists) in 1995...we have dramatically improved and will have a brilliant new stadium that was possible because if how we are run.

    Levy has made mistakes, Jol bring treated so poorly was one, as was getting rid of Chris Hughton but his mistakes are being overblown or invented while his achievements are being ignored imo.
     
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  8. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    It does beg the question what Levy is aiming to achieve.
    A solvent business based on a club finishing in the top four regularly and obtaining a good share of the associated revenue?
    Fans justify this approach by praising his prudence and observing how this is a progression on mid table Spurs who won the occasional domestic cup.
    But football is about glory not prudence. Fans of all clubs want success. Success is winning trophies, not good fiscal management.
    Spurs have done very well over the past half dozen years or so. The club has done well on and off the field. But who's celebrating CL places and cup semi- finals? Be honest.
     
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  9. PowerSpurs

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    I think Levy is going for long term success rather than a few trophies followed by mediocrity. He might not succeed but I like him for trying. Every penny is invested for the long term not the short term.
     
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  10. PowerSpurs

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    I don't think one is linked to the other. They had an ureasonably good run of trophies mostly because Wenger was the first manager to use data effectively. Once the others caught on his advantage went away.
     
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  11. KingHotspur

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    Spot on
     
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  12. Spurf

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    You don't get it Luke but then you are a United supporter.
     
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  13. PleaseNotPoll

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    He's the chairman, though. His job is to run the club well and progress it off the pitch. He's done that.
    We can't compete financially with the clubs around us, so he's doing what he can do address that.

    Pochettino's also done a good job of moving things forward in a footballing sense.
    He hasn't managed that final step yet.

    What would either do differently to guarantee trophies, without taking massive risks with the future of the club?
     
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  14. littleDinosaurLuke

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    We ain't winning much at present and in our desperation to do so, the club is being set further and further back.
    We were successful when we had sound management and a plan. Spend wisely, promote youth, maintain stability and continuity. With the financial clout the club had, it was an irresistible formula.
    I don't expect Spurs to take any leads from Utd's current approach.
    I get the need for sound management, but at what point to do want/expect to see a return in winning things?
     
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  15. Blue and White

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    I don't know who celebrates CL places and cup semi-finals but every year I see a club that finishes 17th in the PL celebrate
     
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  17. littleDinosaurLuke

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    There was an opportunity to improve a good squad this summer and make it the equal of the top clubs in Europe.
    The financial commitment to the stadium may have prevented that.
    But spending nothing seems to have been a regressive step.
    There is always a correlation between on and off field success.
    The commercial revenues available to teams who win trophies are far greater than for those who just compete.
    Speculating to accumulate (a misnomer) could be viewed as an opportunity not a risk.
    I think Spurs have reached a plateau. Top four is achievable every season, but the club isn't taking the next step to winning trophies.
    The present business model points to stagnation or regression because this present squad has reached its peak and investment is needed. This was inevitable because the majority of this group of players have been together for 3-4 seasons. Many are still young ,but there is a strong case for replacing two or three and adding a couple more to improve the squad depth. There was money to be spent in the summer that hasn't been spent.
     
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  18. PleaseNotPoll

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    Mistakes will always be made, but that doesn't suggest an overall lack of vision or failure of realistic ambition.
     
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  19. littleDinosaurLuke

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    That's expectation. Clubs celebrate finishing 7th in League Two (Coventry last year who had many seasons in the top flight).
    Spurs expectations are not the same. The club has been the nearest challengers to the champions in two of the last three seasons and had memorable wins in the CL. Are you happy with that or do you want to take the next step?
     
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  20. humanbeingincroydon

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    I remember at some point Dortmund were cited as the model we were aiming to follow, notably in terms of player recruitment as first team players were carefully selected based on them contributing to the first team immediately while also picking up youngsters who could develop into first teamers, as well as making sure that any monies that come into the team be it from sponsorships or player sales aren't squandered for the sake of spending that money ASAP

    Just as long as we don't remember the other part of the Dortmund model is to follow The Bundesliga Directive and help Bayern pinch all your key players...
     
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