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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Leeds United
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But there is an enormous amount of confirmation bias around.
Blaming him for the Leeds goal for example where he did well to stop a big deflection. And the recent goal where he cleared a terrible back pass directly to Spence who failed to control it leading to a goal. Neither were remotely his fault but both got him criticised on here.
The problem, as with most football criticism, is that it's all about opinions. 'Confirmation Bias' is simply how most arguments are formed, so in that sense it's a meaningless phrase. In Vicario's case I agree, he makes some brilliant saves, that being the reason, presumably, why he was chosen to be the Spurs goalkeeper. However, in the opinion of many, including me, he is not secure enough in his overall play. He does not control his area, he flaps when under pressure, and he does not prioritize catching the ball. Perhaps we should give Kinsky a run.
Case in point...
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The eyeball test is seriously overrated
Prevented goals = saves compared to the xGoT (or Expected Goals on Target)
Basically an xG which has an end product
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I don't think anyone should rely on either but the only thing that really matters about a goalkeeper is whether he stops more goals than an alternative one. How he does it is irrelevant surely.
None of the above 'stats' can account for the two significant failings that for me are unacceptable: the uncertainty
and general look of panic he continues to display and the verbals directed (only) at the younger players.
He's not some rookie keeper, he's a highly paid and very experienced international. Exuding calm and being a positive role model are basic qualities that should come naturally to him. They don't.
and general look of panic he continues to display and the verbals directed (only) at the younger players.
He's not some rookie keeper, he's a highly paid and very experienced international. Exuding calm and being a positive role model are basic qualities that should come naturally to him. They don't.
I don't think that exuding calm really comes with the modern goalkeeping role, unfortunately.
High lines, passing out short, punching instead of catching, etc? Lots of dodgy moments.
The other aspect is the lack of protection that he in particular gets from refs.
It was supposed to be the new normal and then it suddenly wasn't any more.
He definitely gives it out to the senior players
Case in point, during the Europa League final there was a moment where he literally dragged Bissouma into position when setting up for a corner because Bissouma was ignoring him clearly yelling instructions, and when the cross came in Bissouma got a head to it to snuff out the danger. He was also manhandling Son when he kept getting nudged into him
Maybe not looking like a
rabbit caught in headlights might be an improvement. The best goalkeepers still manage to 'look' unruffled even if they are under pressure. The nature of the game doesn't change that.
And why do you think he got targeted more than other keepers? I'd lay money it is exactly because he overreacted/panicked in those scenarios.
Manuel Neuer has played over 500 games for Bayern plus has 124 Germany caps, yet he regularly looks like somebody who realises he doesn't have his door keys in his pocket when three yards down the driveway when under pressure or facing well-aimed crosses
He's long been that little bit too indecisive about whether he should run to smother the ball, too
His shot stopping is as good as Hugo's and his clearances and passing out are both better IMHO, however Hugo organised the defence better and wasn't eaily pushed around by defenders....and rarely punched away catchable crosses.
Vicario has improved IMHO but I am not sure he'll ever become our new lloris
Vicario has improved IMHO but I am not sure he'll ever become our new lloris
I don't think that he was targeted by opposition players.
Not until they worked out that they could do what they liked and get away with it, anyway.
Then it started happening to everyone, some of the big managers moaned and they reined it in.
The Man City push rattled Vicario's confidence a bit, then it was open season on him.
He'd probably still be banned if he'd have done Trafford's move on Kudus the other week, though.
Yeah he’ll never be as good Hugo, I didn’t expect that of him either, Hugo in his prime was probably a top three keeper in Europe alongside de Gea and Neuer in my opinion. I think Vicario’s done a decent enough job though, for sure he has his weaknesses but we could’ve probably done a lot worse the summer we signed him (yes Onana, I’m looking at you!). We could probably also sell him for double what we paid which is generally a sign of a positive signing.
I think in the summer we should look at trying to sort an upgrade, I’m just not sure who. There’ll be a couple of names like Diogo Costa or Unai Simon no doubt banded about but I’ve never really been convinced by Costa whilst Simon has a tendency for an occasional clanger, albeit is largely very good. May need Lange and Don Fabio to work together on it and try to find the right fit.
Vic also doesn't have a noticeable blind spot to his game, like Hugo did with getting beaten at the near post
In terms of organising the defence, Vic can do it (points to the clip I posted earlier) but I do wonder if part of the issue is how streaky the discipline is in the squad. Under Poch we had a hell of a lot of disciplined players to defend corners like Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Dier, Wanyama and Kane, which was noticeable when a less disciplined player like Sanchez filled in
On the other hand Ange really didn't have many disciplined players for defending corners, with maybe Romero and Richy being the only real candidates so players lost their runners or got pushed around so easily, which we're only getting around to addressing with Palhinha and Danso