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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v AC Milan

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Feb 13, 2023.

  1. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    Persisting with team selections and tactics which continue to expose flaws seems now to indicate that he’s protesting to the club. “What do you expect me to do with this?”
    He’s obviously making demands, which aren’t being met. Increasingly, it looks like he’s being petulant.
    There are managers who would work with what they have got and improve the team through man management/motivation, coaching and adapting selection and tactics to better suit the players at their disposal. There is plenty of quality and reasonable depth in the Spurs squad, even though additions are needed in some areas - a creative midfielder, for example, being a priority.
    Conte wants a quick fix, which hasn’t materialised.
    The apparent intransigence with his methods suggest he’s not going to compromise and therefore he’s burning his bridges with the club hierarchy and the fans.
    Changing manager often isn’t the solution, but it is necessary here. But as many point out, his replacement will have to be backed financially to make changes. If Conte is damaging morale, then there may be players who are lost as a result. It becomes then a much bigger rebuild if Kane or Son are no longer around.
    Do you think he should go immediately?
     
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  2. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    I vote myself some Beyonce tickets.
     
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  3. Citizen Kane.

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    I didn't in all honesty but I and many people I know did warn that with a "high maintenance" manager comes the inbuilt risk of needing to maintain that maintenance, or risk everything collapsing. So yes, I think IF his personal circumstances hadn't been so challenging and IF we'd stretched ourselves more in both windows to move players on and bring a few more in (essentially treating his personal signings as non-signings or vanity projects not dipping into the same pot as our main business) and IF the whole mess with Paratici hadn't happened, I do think this season would have planned out noticeably better.

    That's the thing about managers like him and Mourinho. They need everything to be 5* perfection or they start throwing their toys out the pram and throwing everyone, fans included, under the bus. Which is precisely what they both did at precisely the same stage of their careers here.

    But with all that is the salient point which is no matter what our aims were and how they've been revised due to said circumstances, there really cannot be many excuses for the abysmal football, rigid tactics, poor management of the squad and constant failure to shoulder responsibility.

    If the football was watchable and the team at least fought game by game, I wouldn't care nearly as much about the defeats and cup exits. Any anger or frustration would be tempered by admiration for the fact that we are at least trying as well as sympathy for Conte's personal situation.

    We are a million miles away from that ATM though and I personally think if Forest is another washout, he absolutely needs to go. For his own good and wellbeing as well as ours. And I mean that wholeheartedly.
     
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  4. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    If the players are still with him, replacing him now would be questionable and who would we get at this point in the season?

    If the players want him out and he's determined to go with Poch, **** it, why not?
     
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  5. PleaseNotPoll

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    I think he's already gone. That was pathetic yesterday.
    Everything that's happened this season may have been too much for him.
    That's understandable, but he should come to an agreement with the club and leave.
    It's clear that he doesn't want to be here, if he ever did.

    He was supposedly offered Maddison and Eriksen, but turned them down.
    He doesn't want a creative midfielder, which is madness, in my opinion.

    He's persisting with what doesn't work and abandoning what does.
    We won two games and he changed things. We lost two games and he stuck with it.

    We've got two of the last three Premier League Golden Boot winners.
    We've got Brazil's number 9, who was also Everton's top scorer in 3 of the last 4 seasons.
    We've got Croatia's 2nd highest goalscorer, who got 18 in finals competitions for them.
    Kulusevski, Moura and Danjuma are additional attacking threats.
    Why can't we lay a glove on Sheffield Utd, Wolves or Milan?
     
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  6. RRich

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    For some reason my brain omitted the letters ‘cke’ from your last word.
     
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  7. Left on the Shelf

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    Back stage passes at the very least, I would suggest! <laugh>
     
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  8. The RDBD

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    I would be seriously interested in seeing what the data
    science regime is at Spurs (for the club itself, do they
    monitor/measure the PL as a whole etc) .
     
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  9. Left on the Shelf

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    If he took the position with certain promises and expectations from Levy / ENIC that have not been met and there is no chance of recovery then I want him to go public - tell it like it is. That might at least improve future prospects for the club generally.

    I don't want or expect him to petulantly throw his toys out of the pram behind closed doors and just see out his contract.

    If he seriously wants to stay and maybe there are other factors outside of his control that have derailed the season, then he should be equally open about that.

    Having said that, I agree with PNP in that he is already gone. And in that case he should go - and the sooner the better!
     
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  10. KingHotspur

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    Levy will be choosing the next manager though.

    The only positive is he’s due to pick a good one sooner or later
     
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  11. remembercolinlee

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    <laugh>
     
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  12. bigsmithy9

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    I think our reputation as a very good "footballing team" has long gone.Also,why is Sanchez still at the club and......why is Richarlson such a miserable sod. Does he miss his mum? Give 'em both a one way ticket!

    p.s. I hate seeing Woolwich on top but THEY want to win. Why don't we?
     
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  13. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Club supposedly debating over whether to fine Richarlison.

    Not sure if that’s for the public rant or because he’s been so ****.
     
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  14. The Changing Man

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    We do we want to win, even the very worst Tottenham sides of late 90s and early 2000s all wanted to win, no professional footballer goes out to lose.

    Sanchez is still with us because we pay him well, as for Richarlison I think he's miserable because 1 he is not playing, and 2 he does actually know that he has not done well enough for us, he wasn't miserable at the world cup with a manager who trusts him and picks him was he? I would be more worried if he was happy if am honest.
     
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  15. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    The thing with that list is there's a whole bunch of qualifiers

    Hoddle - obviously currying favour with the fans, bringing in Hoddle after sacking Bloke in a Raincoat
    Pleat - only ever supposed to be short-term, as Arnesen was joining at the end of the season
    Santini - Levy used his head instead of his gut, thinking the recently-departed French coach would appeal to the fans over Jol
    Jol - ...which no doubt led to Arnesen saying "Told you so" within a few months
    Ramos - Comolli chose him, undermining Jol to get his way
    Redknapp - gut over head, look what happened
    AVB - somewhere between taking a punt and head over gut, drowned by the Baldini Splurge
    Sherwood - caretaker
    Pochettino - practically fell into our lap, but we moved to get him as soon as he was available
    JM - somehow both made sense so there was a clean break after Poch left and we reacted quickly, yet also made no sense as it's...well, him
    Nuno - Paratici, after Hitchen (not "Hitchens", r/coys...) suggested Potter and ten Hag
    Conte - Paratici

    Realistically the only bad managerial choices that can be firmly planted on Levy are Santini and the ubermensch, maybe Villas-Boas (although how much of that was due to the Baldini Splurge making his squad management fall off a cliff is worth discussing), yet so many of the rest were either never supposed to be there past season's end or were picked by the DoF of the time
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    Anybody know what his daughter thinks...?
     
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  17. PowerSpurs

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    And if you made a list of any club's managers the vast majority would be flops. I think that's because coaching skills are very rare and most managers are hired because they've had a winning streak that's more down to luck than skill and so they can't repeat it. I can count on my fingers the number of English top division managers who have clearly continuously outperformed where they should have been based on resources they had. So ENIC having two or three of them is a good outcome.
     
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  18. PleaseNotPoll

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  19. humanbeingincroydon

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    The pattern which is hard to miss is that whenever Levy or the DoF have time to think about their managerial choice they tend to make the wrong choice, but when they are going with their gut they make the right one - which does say something about going with instincts

    We're hardly the only club to overthink a managerial appointment and wind up talking ourselves into somebody ill-suited because they make the most sense on paper in spite the minor issue that football isn't played on paper, after all Man Utd have had that issue for most of the last decade, but the problem is that we're having the same issue as Chelsea where we find ourselves thinking "Okay, maybe this is the guy" and then find ourselves doing the same dance eighteen months later
     
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    ... and after the red card for Romero he could still have come on. What did we have to lose? For those that think it's the squad rather than the manager think of this. "Keeping the defensive shape" even though we're near the end of the match and must score. WTF!!!!!!! That makes no sense at all. It tells you as much as you need to know about the manager, and why he should already be gone. Getting top four now is difficult, NOT impossible. But with Conte I think it's doubtful.
     
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