Does me growing up in a **** house make what alright? - that other people live in **** houses? Well, in improving my personal housing situation by myself I don't really feel as if I have a responsibility to fix other people's houses as well. In fact, as a philosophy, I think everyone should be pretty much responsible for things like fixing cracks in their own walls. I'm actually quite appalled at the situation we've got to where people like yourself think it is the Government's job to fill walls in your house. I'd be a bit more charitable if I thought you were disabled, or had something wrong with you to the point that you needed help - I am all for the welfare state stepping in there - but you are a perfectly healthy young man and you are capable of looking after yourself.
I'm sure your DIY is **** hot, Mick, seriously. You're the envy of men worldwide, replacing lightbulbs left, right and ****in' center like a boss. It's weird that you don't think its the councils job to look after their own property. Why should private landlords then? why should they need to provide decent accommodation but the council shouldn't? Or are you of the naive belief that everyone who lives in a council house is on benefits? Mick wants all the moaners to take the **** jobs and when they can't afford a house through their **** jobs he looks down at them for staying in council accommodation. It's like I've been saying. You're a massive ****.
That's nothing. There was 20 of us living beneath the road with only cardboard for clothes. You had it easy.
You told me the other day that you have been phoning the council because a cord (for lights, or shower?) fell out in your bathroom, to get them to send someone around to fix it. I think when they envisaged the welfare state it was to help people who got into trouble (if you fall the state will catch you, etc etc). Now we have 25(?) year old men with nothing physically wrong with them phoning up the Government, expecting them to fix slight malfunctions with their bog. If we get down to theory I think I actually agree with social housing - I don't believe we should let the poorest people sleep on the streets. But that's the thing, you're not poor - you were telling me how you have a top of the range PC the other day, better than any next-generation console. So why can't you stand on your own two feet without Government subsidized housing? If it wasn't for the likes of you taking up a social house, and phoning the Government telling them to spend money on trivial matters - wouldn't there be more resources left to give to people who actually need it?
We used to dream of having clothes. When we went out our Mother used to polish our feet and lace our toes. You don't know yer born ya posh bastaaard.
My mate (electrician) used to work for a company contracted to carry out repairs for the council. Many, many times he'd get called out to fix a light that wasn't working and all it needed was a new bulb. £50 charge to the taxpayer and that's going back 10 or 15 years.
A mate of mine is a plumber for the council similar story but he would have his calls set out for the day and when finished free to do private work.He has a magnetic panel which he puts on the side of his van to hide the council logo when he's working on the side
No, I never told you that, not at all. For one I don't stay in a council house you ****ing dunce, It's a housing association house. Secondly, it never "fell out", it had died after years of use. I also explained to you why I phoned them and why I didn't replace the switch myself, which you're right is easily done. But when your "landlord" has been trying to kick you out for a year, simply because you're young single guy, you tend not to be so easy going with them. Trying to kick me out after I spent thousands of pounds on flooring and decorating, not to mention the fact that the gardens I was given were originally a ****ing mess. You ****ing better believe that I take advantage of EVERY ****ing little perk in my tenancy agreement. I'm not poor. I'd like you to point out on this thread where I've given that impression. I'm actually earning more now than I did in my last serious employment. Subsidized housing? You can go **** yourself with that. This coming from a **** who bought his council house for ****ing sweeties, which in turn has left councils with a massive shortfall in social housing. Well unlike you, I don't have that ****ing option and I probably never will now. I also don't have the option to be ****ing picky considering the homeless list currently stagnates on a 2 year backlog here. So aye, I live in a housing association house, mainly because they are the only people building housing right now, what ****ing of it you ****?
I made the point that the majority of people are not struggling (and showed some stats to prove it is a majority), a lot of people just like to see themselves as victims and exaggerate their problems. You then brought yourself into this conversation with the 'what about the ****s with no carpet', claiming I had no idea what it's like (with the implication that you do) - putting yourself firmly in with the poor, and inviting me to speculate on your situation. My speculation is that if you need social housing because your earnings are too low and you are incapable of earning more for whatever reason then that would indicate you are poor and probably deserve the house - if you don't need social housing because your earnings are fine, then you lose your credibility in claiming social housing in front of someone poorer than you. I've never bought a council house by the way (even an ex-one). I think Government houses should be a last resort, as once you get people into the system it's hard to get them out. If I get used to paying £300 quid a month for a decent size social house, I won't freely want to rent a private house at £500 even if I could afford to by cutting other costs. The Government distorts the market and the public pays for the distortion. Furthermore people then get it into their heads that it's the Governments job to provide them with such things - that they have a right to be looked after, rather than a responsibility to look after themselves - for instance, your 'what about the ****s with no carpets' comment shows that you think 'no carpets' is a public problem. But the worst thing for me (putting myself in the shoes of a social tenant) is that the public owns your house, and when the public owns it allows ****s like me to have an opinion (I'm currently a UK tax payer on the earnings I make there, before you get that point in) and it allows the likes of a new government to **** you out of your house if they think there is another family who needs it more. If you rent from a private landlord your contract is at least between you and him - if you have no carpet you can change landlord, or torture him to fix it - the public (and me) can **** off and mind their own business.
Look, ffs, council housing was never intended to be a state benefit, nor a handout to the poor. The post WWII social consensus, eventually torn up by Maggie Thatcher, assumed that decent affordable housing was a basic right in a civilised society. Council homes were built in the UK in record numbers by both Labour and Tory governments to provide clean and comfortable accommodation for working people, to replace the over crowded rat infested slums that were commonplace before the war. Council housing was never a ****ing handout.
Me and my 4 brothers used to live in the outside cludgie, rain, hail or snow. There was no roof either. And Dunger want's some lackey to fix a light for him. Bone idle youngsters these days.
I've no doubt that there was a need for social housing after the war - but I think Maggie was right to phase it out in favour of the situation we have now where more than 80% of people manage their own housing. The scheme I grew up in was a ****ing ****hole, they concentrated all the delinquents in society in one spot - most of the kids growing up in that estate had no chance with the ****e peer influence and schools full of mental kids from broken homes. One of the things that saved me was I got into a Grammar School - I didn't do anything with the education, but I starting hanging out with people who weren't ****ing mental. At least now (one of the few benefits to) paying private landlords housing benefit is the kids are distributed more evenly among normal estates, and they get to mix with kids who don't come from broken homes.
