TORY PARTY using the tactics of 1930s Nazi Germany.

Try getting any benefits in Lithuania, Romania, Estonia etc....

It's not racist to point out that all countries within the EU aren't wealthy enough to sustain their population yet the above nations and others enjoy the same freedom of movement within the EU with all the trimmings as the wealthiest nations.

My industry(construction/building)has been decimated by legal EU immigrants prepared to work for what's considered high wages in their country of origin but is below the national minimum wage here(the employers are more to blame than the legal immigrants for their greed), the benefits system in this country was installed for British citizens and can now be raided(legally)by an army of migrants from anywhere within the EU.

Phil's thread has kind of gone full circle...the Tories took us into the EU and the Tories are responsible for the Dickensian measures regarding the benefits system for those who need it most.

http://europa.eu/about-eu/basic-information/money/index_en.htm

 

We British have lost control over our government, we are unarmed, and 2 million protested the Iraq war? Most Brits are against this, our parliament is now a front organisation for international oligarchy!



We need to wake up to the enormous scale of corruption at the top, and stop allowing these parasites to conquer and divide the working man.

 

You must be joking. You're defending these lazy sods who come for the benefits. Did you know that illegal immigrants get twice in benefits what the state pension is ? Please don't try and tell me I'm wrong because I know I'm not. I could tell you some horror stories as to what these people get in benefits and then we have pensioners who freeze in winter because they can't afford to turn the heating on.
This country is well and truly fu-cked we need to stop the handouts now. As the saying goes, Charity begins at home. We need to look after our own and sod the freeloading foreigners

 

One to remember!

The British citizen and the state

In most democratic countries, the notion of citizenship (as opposed to that of nationality) recognises that a State owes to its people certain inalienable rights which are characterised as "fundamental" in the sense that they enjoy a specially protected status in domestic law. In return, it is accepted that the citizen is expected to meet certain standards and comply with certain requirements vis-à-vis the State.

This concept of citizenship is unknown to English constitutional law which, under the influence of Burke, Bentham, Austin, Dicey and Jennings, has treated British citizens as "subjects of the Crown without the benefit of positive and fundamental constitutional rights giving protection against the state and its agents." The rights that are recognised - "the liberties of the subject" - are "residual and negative" in nature, i.e. the individual is free to do what he or she likes save insofar as the activity is restricted by the law.


Thought I'd throw that in, as I bet Gendros didn't know he's nothing more than the property of the crown!................

 

Just for you Gendros!


The UK before the European Court of Human Rights

By the end of 2010, the European Court of Human Rights had, in 271 cases, found violations of the European Convention of Human Rights by the United Kingdom. These judgments cover a wide variety of areas, from the rights of prisoners to trade union activities. The decisions have also had a profound effect and influence on the approach adopted by the UK to the regulation of activities which could potentially engage Convention rights. As one author has noted, "there is hardly an area of state regulation untouched by standards which have emerged from the application of Convention provisions to situations presented by individual applicants."

 

**** me those cut n paste keys are getting a good run-out Phil.

Got to run.....got a plane to catch. And yes I will be back.

 

Apart from those too sick to work, almost nobody who has never paid into the UK system should be eligible to claim benefits from it. I include British school leavers and other EU residents in that. No reason whatsoever why 16-18 year olds should not be working somewhere.

Genuine asylum seekers should be allowed to claim, those who arrive in the UK from another safe country such as France should be immediately detained and then deported back to their country of origin as soon as possible as they are clearly economic migrants, not people fleeing in fear of their lives. No appeal, no asylum process. Out. Learning English should be a requirement of the asylum process for ALL those relocating here.

Nobody not born in the UK or otherwise legally permitted to reside here should be allowed to take any skilled or professional work for a period of five years unless their prospective employer can prove that there is a shortage of UK born applicants for any advertised role.

 

I have written that the majority come here for the generous handouts package that they can receive as soon as they set foot in Dover. Nothing racist in that, unless of course you are one of these PC numpties that have their heads hanging out of Cherie Blair's backside.
Its disgusting that they can claim all of the benefits under the sun and yet people from this country get vilified for doing so.Why do you think they travel through Spain, Germany and France etc to get here in the first place? It isn't for the weather

Nothing racial or racist in any of the comments posted by any1 on here last night

 

Personally Lone, I would like to see those claiming job seekers allowance being required to undertake some sort voluntary work (within the charity industry only) as part of their agreement in receiving JSA as this will give them experience of developing their skill set in a working environment, and get them into a working pattern.

 

Can't argue with any of that

 

The problem with that lone, asylum seekers are meant to find the nearest safe country aren't they?

So why is it they get to us? There are plenty of safe countries on the way, they are here for a reason, the benefit system, if it was really for safety reasons, then you have plenty of other European countries along the way they could set up home at. But they won't because they don't get benefits there.

But yeh, I do agree that we should take in asylum seekers, but what I am not totally for, is allowing them on the benefit system.

 

"No reason whatsoever why 16-18 year olds should not be working somewhere".


In a perfectly run country that should be the case.........trouble is we don't have a perfectly run country.

 

For the overwhelming majority of cases, absolutely. I'm talking about those who arrive directly via air or sea. Those who arrive via France would be automatically refused asylum and deported under a Rangel Government.

 

No we don't. Plenty of work out there for 16-18 year olds though. Might not be jobs that meet up to DPJ's exacting standards, but since your average 16-18 year old won't be worrying about kids or a mortgage then I'm sure they'll manage.

 

what is your ultimate goal by doing this valley>>>>>>>>>>>the problem I see in making people who get benefits work for nothing means, the companies have loop holes where they could just use workers for no wages...........eg picking up litter!!yeah sounds great in theory but what about the lads who get paid for doing that work at the moment, do they suddenly find themselves out of a job because there isn't enough work 2 go around>>>do they, once been laid off start doing this job for nothing??????.........this is 2013 we need 2 think out of the box because things that worked in the past doesn't hold onto firm ground these days............this over populated country has created the so called benefit cheats and they get all the flack being the weaker human being at present purely for falling into the trap of 20percent dysfunctionals needed for our way of life 2 exist.


there is a box you can exit if u start thinking lads ........try finding your mind, its pure and it all yours and nobody elses unless you allow them(the system) 2think for you.

 

you obviously don't live in my fking area ........ps before you say it kids don't travel easy unless daddy can put up the 3grand car insurance for them <not many in my part of wales could even think of that kind of cash).

 

Hence why I said the charity industry only aber

 

Would love to know what area you live in then

 

Swansea. Where else? Loads of work out there. Especially this time of year.

 

Listen Lone, I'm a reasonable man (My wife will disagree), and understand how things tick, I don't know how old you are, or what your experience is, but I have worked through the 70's 80's 90's etc, being self employed for 17 of those years, now I know that when I was a lad (seems a long time ago now) I had a choice of jobs, and if an employer was crap, I could move on, but today it is far more difficult to find a job that's anywhere near half decent, and even Doctors, Nurses and Teachers are on temporary contracts, the kids today have a real up hill struggle, and I've not seen any government pulling their finger out, or getting of their fat arses to do something really tangible about it.

When you talk about these two bit bar jobs or cleaning jobs, yes they are good for getting our youngsters into a work ethic, but that's where they end, my son has a friend who has been through two government related apprenticeships, that fell apart, because the employers were spivs, most youngsters are staying on in further education, or UNI, because the work is simply not out there, and the Government know this, and that's why they want to keep the kids now in school until 18 years of age, it's alright for some of us old boots to talk as if we know it all from our perspective, but the truth is, the work place has changed drastically since our day!...................