With the quality England have, I agree that they should be performing better. However, to leave Rooney out would be madness. Berahino is untested and very raw.
Rooney has a better international record then Ronaldo, Benzema, Cavani and Falcao. People who say Rooney should be dropped are jumping on the band wagon, attention seeker or just being stupid.
Rooney has been off it the last few England games, but he still manages to score. Which can't be overlooked. I don't give a **** if he crawls everywhere if he scores every other game.
That was a great Penalty, that keeper has so far this season not let one penalty passed him. Rooney just hits them with such power they are difficult to stop.
Judging by the comments on here, all three. It becomes self-evident why they spend their time sniping at folk, as they clearly know ****-all about football. An honest mistake from Henderson, a terrific response from his team-mates, 45 minutes of competitive togetherness and then a bloody good second half. Problems with the penalty, drop Rooney. Whoops, did anyone see that credibility just evaporate? First half posters hang your heads in shame.
I stand by all my comments on this thread. The performance was functional at best and whilst it might not vindicate an all out assault on Hodgson, beating Slovenia in a scrappy win is nothing to shout about. Just emphasises that weâre now a peripheral nation in terms of current standards: a top 20 nation, not a top 10 nation. I reckon most clubs from our Championship would cruise this group.
Whilst I'm not arguing that Rooney should start, I don't think his international goal record is that impressive. Only 5 of his goals won games and only 4 secured draws. As for the opposition, I had a look at who the goals were actually against. In terms of decent sides, all I could find were Argentina (friendly 2005), Netherlands (friendly again 2006), 2 against Brasil (both friendlies) and one against Uruguay (2014 World Cup). So 5 goals against decent sides and only one in a competitive game. Add to that the fact he's only managed one World Cup goal, other than 2004, he hasn't just struggled to score in major tournaments, he's been cack. Compare that to Neymar, 7 years younger, 41 caps fewer yet he's only 2 goals behind. Including goals against Germany, Argentina, Italy, Spain and Portugal. Not to mention having four times as many World Cup goals having been to one tournament whilst Rooney's been to three.
If you're to do that. You should do the same for the others. Ronaldo- Netherlands(2006), Argentina(2011), Netherlands(2012) and Netherlands(2013). Ronaldo has 3 goals in 14 World Cup games. You go through anyone international records and they'll have scored most of there goals against opposition who would struggle in League 1.
Still two more than Rooney... Neymar's record shows that it's not the case with everyone. Besides, his record on it's own; 42 in 59 is far better than Rooney's. The fact of the matter is, when it matters for England, on the big stage, Rooney has never come up with goods. The minor exception being when he was a kid, for over 10 years now the above statement is one of fact.
You seem to miss the point. Has Ronaldo, Benzema, Cavanni and Falcao ever really done it then? Internationally Rooney has a good as or better record then majority of top players, but it seems to be cool knock him.
I thought Benzema played brilliantly every time I saw him in this years World Cup. Falcao's never been to a major tournament, so that's a bit of a silly comparison. Unless you count the Copa America as a major competition, in which case his record in major tournaments is 1 in 2. Ronaldo was a major factor in getting Portugal to a final of a major tournament in 2004 when he was just a teenager and has scored in every World Cup and European Championship's he's been to. In all honesty, I've never seen him have a quiet game like Rooney has for England in tournaments for 10 years now. I've never really rated Cavani but if you're talking about World Cup's again he's played in less and scored more than Rooney. I don't think it's cool to knock him. He's probably our best player. He's been very good in qualifiers. That said, he's been ****e when it matters (major tournaments) for 10 years now, to the extent where he hasn't even had a half decent game in any of those games.
Heartily guffawed at this one. They're worse than rectal surgery aren't they. As for England... another 'Roy' performance that's more likely to have the fans flocking away from games instead of to them. The pitch was a disgrace, as was the performance for the first hour. Who the **** decided to allow NFL to be played there? It's a **** sport that's only popular in one country, and it's 3,500 miles away. Across a ****ing ocean. San Marino would be embarrassed to have offered that up as a playing surface, never mind the Originators of the Game [TM]. I'll say nothing more on the game itself, nor the players, or I'll bust a blood vessel.
I must be boring because i never watch England Games...Infact if its not Hull City playing its very rare i watch football..
It was terrible first half, but much better in the second, we shouldn't be making such hard work of games like this, but Woy has us playing in a very pedestrian manner it's always likely. As for dropping Rooney, it's a ridiculous suggestion, he's quite possibly our best player. He's doesn't quite replicate his club form for his country, but he still makes things happen and it would be crazy to drop him. Henderson had a mare though, not just the own goal, some of passing was appalling.
Okay, I'll retract that - some first half posters, with Quill leading the way. Henderson headed a howler, it happens; of the rest he was below par, but some comment gets ridiculous. Form can be cruel, but it will come back for him - a little support might help him. We are winning games, that is a big plus in football and we are experimenting with a new formation - something needed to be done and Roy is doing it, isn't he? Will the diamond work if they remember it can be narrow or wide - maybe, because that is what happened - the same players responded to the Henderson blooper and attacked, they changed width, not shape and they increased pace; three goals later they look very comfortable. First half (as Ernie said) they battled for possession and showed a renewed tenacity without any threat, second half was a different matter. Welbeck is developing into a very self-assured attacking threat, he is key to what Roy is seeking to create and a determined and focussed Wayne Rooney is central to that. I think someone managed to get the standard of football down to League One comparison; really, who are these teams? Thought it more entertaining than Hull vs Burnley, myself.
I wrote that I believed that most Championship clubs would cruise this group. Hard to analogy to prove I agree, but would you suggest different? How would you peg it (to a recognisable comparative?) In international terms, the teams in this group are totally ****. Totally **** Estonia, who we struggled to beat, just drew 0-0 with ****ing San Marino. The standard of opposition are, at best, dire but fair enough if you want to be all content with England and their performances, but to try to make out it's any kind of triumph to be 100% so far in this group just shows how far we’ve fallen.
Estonia are utterly **** and England were desperately poor in not brushing them aside. That said, Lithuania are slightly better and Slovenia better still, without actually being good. I think a good Championship side would have a decent shot at edging Slovenia out of 2nd place but wouldn't be good enough to finish above Switzerland. A lower Championship side would be battling with Lithuania for 3rd/4th.
