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Tomkins: Be bold, be brave

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Jimmy Squarefoot, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. Sir Kenny Dalglish

    Sir Kenny Dalglish Well-Known Member

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    Swansea seem to have evolved, they have characteristics of their previous managers, and to suggest one is better than the other is a bit unfair. All of them have left their imprint. Even Liverpool have a bit of the imprint Rafa left at the club, and that hasn't been dismissed.
     
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  2. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Well said <ok>
     
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  3. Sir Kenny Dalglish

    Sir Kenny Dalglish Well-Known Member

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    Good points.
    Out of the last 3 Liverpool managers, only Roy Hodgson didn't leave something positive when he left. He left a lot of negatives. Rafa built the youth set-up from scratch and was the one that brought Kenny back. Kenny took a club that was in a coma and has it once again breathing by itself. Hodgson was one of the parties that put LFC into a coma. I don't have to spell it out who put Liverpool into a coma.

    Kenny did do a decent job, and there was questions on was he actually sacked because of performances, or because he requested to be sacked because he refused to ''go upstairs''. I believe it was something like that, because Kenny refused any compensation. It was as an amicable departure as there has ever been.

    If Brendan succeeds, it will be because of some good work by the others. However if he turns us into eventual champions, it will be his doing and no-one elses.
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    hi muppetfinder.

    to respond/clarify. I neither consider lucas a good or bad buy as he was a buy for potential and wasn't "too expensive" at the time. I found the lad frustrating as he'd do nothing then for a few second burst into life and show what he could do. I think kenny bought henderson on a similar path and he too does the same kind of thing... kenny will be proved right on him but he has a big fee hanging over him.... all in all kenny is a childhood hero but i just don't know how much was him or comolli but there you go.. a lot fo the work done hasn't worked.

    on the second comment yes you are correct i meant that rafa did indeed end up totally hamstrung by G&H. He did indded have a mixed bag before then such as morientes and such but he was building up a side. absolutely you are correct that 50% is bang o nthe moeny for where most top managers are with buying.

    Like i said 5 of our best team right now are rafa's men and most youths coming up he brought in etc... rodgers will repar the rewards, and maybe reapthe rewards of kennys careful hand with sterling, it took unitl this summer to shift aquilani so kenny had to deal with all that rubbish plus hodgson's rubbish....

    i seems to me that only suarez and enrique and perhap in the future henderson have a chance of being "kenny's legacy" in terms of players. Kenny said he picked them all last may so it a pity that downing, carroll and adam let him down.. rodgers still has cole and jones to go but it look like rodgers has a clear run at who he wants to buy (bar affording them) so its down tohow good the good ones are if you catch my drift.
     
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  5. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    To be fair to Kenny, he wasn't supposed to have a legacy. He was brought in to unite the fans and save the club and he succeeded.

    He was a short term choice so his legacy wouldn't consist of buying and nurturing talent etc, building a philosophy etc.

    His legacy is from the 80's by playing in and managing the greatest LFC side of all time.
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    correct jimmy... up to the point wehre he was caretaker manager then appointed permenant on a 3 year deal. He got one year of that three. If he'd left after caretaker with suarez in place and even then we'd all blame comolli for carroll <laugh>... seriously though I wish kenny had said no comment rather than backing comolli once he'd left.

    Kenny has righted the wrong that hodgson created... the only manager since shankley not to win a trophy. Dalglish is now the ONLY LFC manager to win all 3 domestic trophies. Dalglish cleared out a lot of junk with comolli and bought a new side... the onyl "pity" is adam, downing and carroll are flops... 8th ok, thats bad but i think its the psending that convinced fsg to jump... just my opinion.

    hodgosn is the worst lfc manager since we wer ein div 2 before shankley... and england appoint him!!! joke.
     
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  7. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Fair point but I think even with the 3 year contract, Kenny was never the man to take us forward. But because his impact was so great in his first 6 months, the board couldn't NOT offer a contract. We needed a young manager ala Rafa, someone with ideas and visions to take us through to the next decade.

    Agree about the spending. Players weren't bad but the fees involved are ridiculous. If only BR had the same resources.
     
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  8. Milk Milk

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    Rodders probably wouldn't go for it but I would love to see Rafa back as DoF one day. He really did seem to see the big picture and is probably the only reason the club hasn't collapsed was his foresight... His main fault as far as I can tell is his lack of being approachable by the players. We would get in slumps under Rafa and it was obvious from body language that the troops were demoralized.

    Lucas was never as bad as people made out... he just made silly mistakes... he could go 89 mins playing well but people would dwell on the one mistake. It was obvious all along he had massive potential.

    The frustrating thing was that he was played at a time when we had better options so frequently. Although I guess it all added to his now strong experience.

    Coates could be next for the Lucas treatment... great potential but makes mistakes... if one of those becomes high profile people will start unjustly turning on him like they did Lucas.
     
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  9. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    I would love to see him back at the club at some way, shape or form. He is a visionary as proven by his work on the academy and his extensive links in Spain allowed him to attract personnel such as Segura and Borrell.

    I wonder who will replace Segura though ...

    I'm not sure where I read it but FSG are still on the lookout for a CEO.
     
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