Which leads to the (unfounded) claims there there's a break clause that triggers if we don't get European football in his contract If such a thing is in play, that does allow us to prepare a list of potential successors over the next month or so
He got Spurs playing a style, which, when everybody was fit and firing, was both entertaining and successful. He brought in some decent signings (if he had a say in who was bought). But he is stubborn and won’t change his tactics even when it’s obvious they’re not working (ditto Amorim). He doesn’t have experience of the PL and doesn’t appear to be able to learn or adapt (ditto Amorim). There is little evidence that he is a good man manager as when things aren’t going for the team, the players seem to lack confidence and motivation and visibly droop (ditto Amorim). If he doesn’t have the capacity to change and persists with his stubbornness, he should go (ditto Amorim)
Both managers are massively underachieving. The big difference is Amorim has been Utd for a few months. Ange is coming up to 2 years. Also Amorim is 40, Ange is pushing 60.
And what Amorim achieved at Sporting pisses all over Ange winning the J-league with Sporting Pokémon.
Don’t forget Ange winning in Scotland too. Celtic have really fallen off since he left… Oh wait, they haven’t
Goals scored? That alone isn’t enough to keep anyone in a job. Results have been woeful since the Chelsea defeat (his 11th league game) Yes Spurs have had injuries but every club has injuries yet the fall off started well before any injury crisis.
I hope when Ange gets sacked (well i hope he stays) that PS will come out criticising levy for unduly sacking him unfairly as he wasnt given a proper chance and the stats support him staying
Absolutely I will. The stats don't support anything so far. Ange is not significantly different from Redknapp over Harry's entire period with us and better than Nicholson. But he hasn't had enough matches to be sure and probably has a more competitive squad than Harry.
Bill Nicholson only won 31 of his first 73 league matches. Ange already has 30 out of 66. Nicholson also contrived to get knocked out of the FA Cup in a replay by a team from two divisions lower in his first season. He had no managerial experience at all. He would have been a nailed on sacking after his first 31 games if the posters on here had been in charge.
...so I've seen somebody on r/coys suggest Paul Pogba will fix our midfield Pubs have only been open an hour
By the looks of the data I can find, Nicholson didn’t have the best of starts when taking over part way through 58/59, it looks like he lost about 10 of his first 15 league games (these are rough numbers) and lost more throughout the rest of the season. In 59/60 there was then a marked improvement in results and I think I only counted 10 league losses throughout the whole season and then in 60/61 we all know what happened there. So to me it shows Nicholson improved Spurs season upon season after a rough start, Pochettino’s start was quite similar as results weren’t always great in his first season. In Postecoglou’s case, he had an excellent start but we have then largely been woeful. There’s no progression under him, only considerable regression. The system looks terrible and players are playing as if they’ve never kicked a ball before. I think fans can be a lot more lenient if they see signs of improvement even if results aren’t there, as of right now though, I refuse to believe there is a single Spurs fan who’s looking at Spurs with genuine belief we’ll be turning a corner any time soon, there are those that will have the hope we do (and many are now losing that) but I definitely don’t think anyone’s watching this and thinking “it’ll click soon”. Edit: I should also add, despite Nicholson showing he just needed time to improve things, I don’t see the point in comparing football now with that of yesteryear, anything 30+ years ago will have practically zero relevance to how football is now.
The comment a few weeks ago about how the team had pared back what we were doing in training because half the squad was injured and the other half were running on fumes does play a part in some of the disjointed performances we've seen, especially in December/January And this leads to a suggestion which I may or may not have pulled out of somewhere not usually used for storage... One question that does need to be asked is whether we've upped the training regimen to the levels from say August/September again, because that could explain some of the disjointed displays because if training had gone from being lighter in the face of an injury crisis to full pelt in a matter of a few weeks rather than the levels being raised over a period of 4-6 weeks then we would have a valid suggestion for why some games have players keep passing behind their teammates instead of into the space in front of them due to being pushed too hard in training and they're exhausted
The scarcity of excellent coaches and the time it takes to prove their excellence hasn't changed a jot since I started watching football. My whole point above is that there isn't enough data to tell. If there is already insufficient data then odds on it will have apparent patterns within it to support any point of view. The last thing you should do with insufficient data is to analyse it further. The first thing you should do is to look at other relevant data and see if it agrees or disagrees. Goal difference and injuries push me to giving Ange more time.
It’s not just data I and others are judging nor predicting the future on though, it’s the eye test as well, hence why I mentioned Pochettino’s tenure where data may not have painted the rosiest of pictures in his first season but many fans could see improvements in our play. Watching Tottenham for around a year now has been beyond painful, players are played out of position, instructions for multiple players don’t suit them, squad management is horrendous, the coaching is clearly below par as evidenced by the amount of players dropping in levels and the injuries you mention are part of the system Postecoglou wants to play - the man’s said as such and his injury records at Spurs and Celtic back it up too. There is nothing to suggest after watching Tottenham that anything is going to improve and I doubt the data would support anything different either.
That's fine so you are analysing if from observation of football quality not data. So if Levy sacks him he should be criticised for interfering in football areas where he has limited knowledge.
I’m analysing it mainly on quality and results. Results are the only piece of data that actually matters in football in the grand scheme of things but the quality of performances can at times reduce the importance of results to a degree so long as there’s a feeling that results will eventually come. With both performances and results having been poor for an extended period of time now, to the point it’s not just poor form but becoming the norm, Levy persisting with such is cause for greater criticism than it would be to try changing it.
IMHO the quality of our football is declining and it's very difficult to describe us of playing entertaining football most weeks. If I were a neutral I'd watch us because you are guaranteed goals and goalmouth action but as a spurs fan us giving away multiple chances each week is not entertaining. I'm still in favour of giving Ange time but I am in the minority of spurs fans and it's hard to criticise fans for feeling this way tbh
The part that gets me is the football we play is entertaining...when we need a goal Some of the stuff we were playing when 2-0 down against Bournemouth is what we should be playing from kickoff, as we were far more direct and playing with a much higher tempo than we were in the first half, which begs the question why we don't do the Redknapp-like blitz in the first half hour to get a goal or two and then look to manage the game from there
