To ban or not to ban?

So a Man Utd fan deliberately invokes Heysel to offend Liverpool supporters, and not only are the mods now falling over each other to have him unbanned after a day (and tolerating his alternate accounts) but they are now even revoking bans for other Man Utd fans.

When the banter thread was moved over to the Man Utd board, numerous Man Utd fans started flooding other topics on the Liverpool board, clearly only interested in winding people up and wanting Liverpool fans to see their posts.

It seemed to me the board already has more than enough rival fans coming over to antagonise Liverpool supporters but let's see...

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I think it was impossible for you to get that any more wrong

NOF being allowed back onto the site as had ****all to do with the Liverpool mods. However, I have made sure that he remains banned from our board.


I will repeat what I said very early on in this thread...

Mods are posters too. They are here to enjoy an internet football forum just like all the non-mod posters.

 

G, I agree that Mods are essentially the same as the rest of us. But from my understanding it was not just the insults that was/is annoying people but the continual derailing of threads to no good effect. So if the derailing is allowed to continue then many more regular posters will continue to doubt if there is any point in posting here.

 

Fair point Dave but the derailing has not stopped despite Sweats (the only poster to be unbanned) being banned. Can't see it making much difference.

Personally, I think we made a mistake moving the banter thread. Least they were all in one place then.

 

Just a question. Does the supermod not get tired of banning unbanning the same person?

Well another question. Why was NOF banned completely? I know he did the whole 'murderer' thing so obviously he was banned from here but if that is also reason to ban him completely why is it now ok & no longer worthy of a ban today? Grovelling apology was it? Promises not to do it again? Just trying to get my head around the structure of offence vs punishment so to speak.

I have mixed feelings about this. I find it fun to play with a WUM occasionally but can see & have shared the frustration Dave talks about when every thread gets derailed by the same poster.

 

Frank, NOF was already banned from our board before he even said the murderers thing, so I think the supermod had no choice but to ban him entirely because saying something like that can't be taken lightly.

I think he is going to be unbanned though, but not from our board I don't think.

 

The Man Utd mods initially took the position that using Heysel to get a reaction was worthy of a ban, but then decided it should only last a few days. As far as I know there has never been any apology for the actual comments, but other posters have supported him on the basis that he "only" used Heysel and not Hillsborough. It seems to be down to the fact that the Man Utd supporters like him, so it's all fine. Gerrez has explained that the Man Utd mods were required to be consulted get the ban initially enforced, but apparently the Liverpool mods were not consulted for the ban to then be overturned. So it seems there is nothing you can't say if the mods of your own board like you.

Anyway, the end result is that the former is invited back to the site (not Liverpool board) and the latter back to the Liverpool board.

 

What an absolute load of total bollocks.

NOF being reinstated has nothing to do with us. We've let one guy back and it seems we've become the target for nonsense on this board.

I can't be ****ed with this anymore.

Ungrateful bunch of ****ers completely ignorant of the bigger picture and what we get up to.

 

Got to stick up for mods here, this isn't about NOF, couldn't care less about him tbh. This is about one poster who was never really a wum. Some of you need to stop being melodramatic, you all sound like a bunch of whiny bitches.

 

I think you're taking it to the extreme. NOF was rightly annoyed with a level of casual racism directed toward Rio. He was offended that some people, I don't know who seemed to think it was fair game. (Are they banned?) as racism and kiddie porn are the only rules on this site. So he said something and got a reaction from all the people who he felt were being racist.

The fact heysel wasn't your clubs brightest moment shouldn't mean it can't be discussed. I've had many a sensible discussion with a number of respected members of this board.

Anyway what NOF did was silly but we are human after all. Sometimes red mist descends . . I'd suggest he should be unbanned from this board as his contributions were football based (other than taking the mickey out of Dave) who is man enough to take care of himself.

 

I wouldn't bother Sweats. Gerrez is completely right, this isn't about whether someone should be banned or not it's just 'us versus them' for many of them.

 

Since the OP I've just sat back and watched the reaction.

It's been interesting.

I have never been a fan of banning people unless it was absoloutely a last resort as on this site you are supoosed to be able to debate freely. This doesn't mean say what you like as some seem to think. I always thought that dealing with the wums was part of this place and that this board was very good at fighting its own corner.

I wanted people to think a bit more about bans and the rights/wrongs of stoppung someone from posting on here but it seems to have opened lots of other points on how we all feel about wums.

I'm glad I did the thread as it has got us all talking and the board was busy take it from someone who is on here a lot this is not always the case. I speak to Gerrez more than my wife.

I'm sorry if I've pissed some people off with this as it was not my intention and I did not have an agenda as someone thinks, I dont really think far enough ahead to do that.

 

Since the OP I've just sat back and watched the reaction.

It's been interesting.

I have never been a fan of banning people unless it was absoloutely a last resort, as on this site you are supoosed to be able to debate freely. This doesn't mean say what you like as some seem to think. I always thought that dealing with the wums was part of this place and that this board was very good at fighting its own corner.

I wanted people to think a bit more about bans and the rights/wrongs of stopping someone from posting on here but it seems to have opened lots of other points on how we all feel about wums.

I'm glad I did the thread as it has got us all talking and the board was busy. Take it from someone who is on here a lot this is not always the case. I speak to Gerrez more than my wife.

I'm sorry if I've pissed some people off with this as it was not my intention and I did not have an agenda as someone thinks, I dont really think far enough ahead to do that.

 

I love this man.

So much anger in this one

 

Let's get something clear before we start. I've nothing against you as an individual - well not much anyway. The stand that I took with regard to your ban would equally have applied to any other visitng poster who had been banned from this board. Irrespective of the reason for that ban, it was imposed at a time when our Mods were/should have been reacting to the feeling on the board that the quality/atmosphere on this board was being diminished by both the number and apparent intent of visiting posters. Within that process some posters will get banned on grounds that they disagree with. However, as I said last night, if one person suffers it is for the greater good on the board itself - harsh but for the greater good.

As for the point regarding NOF. He got what he deserved. It's not a matter of the difference between Hysel and Hillsborough. It is the fact that he chose to call ALL Liverpool supporters murderers which is not only inaccurate but also a well considered (by him) insult. Even he was aware that the degree of insult was totally over the tiop - even when defending an idiotic football player. To attempt to defend that position does you no favour whatsoever because you know that it is indefensible. If it were not so then please answer this question. What would your reaction (and the reaction of the United board ) be to me making a statement about Munich when discussing the veracity of Evra's evidence?

 

NOF was asked multiple times to support his accusation of racism in that thread, but he ignored every attempt to move the discussion forward and only responded with personal insults against other posters. He did the same thing in a thread on the Chelsea board and they too said he was on a wind up.

http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/203062-Why-is-Rio-bonfire-song-racist

Calling us "the murderers" is not a discussion of Heysel.

 

Dave, I was harshly treated and windy was banned because it was mistaken identity.

As to NOF. Yes it wasn't the right approach but as I said we all say stupid things when the red mist descends.

 

What a crock of ****. Let's get one thing clear as you obviously haven't read the thread in question. There was no defence of racism, casual (whatever that is) or otherwise. The debate was centred around NOFs insistance that chants aimed at Anton (the bonfire chant...you United fans know it off by heart I'm sure) were based on the colour of his skin. He has no evidence for that, he was asked on numerous occassions to justify said claim but failed to do so despite continuing to comment on the thread. Any suggestion there was an acceptance by our mods of casual racism and it being ok for us to discuss it but not NOF are just wrong on your part. Check your facts before mouthing off.

NOF has beenn a constant annoyance who rarely contributes to debate on here, instead focussing on repeating various myths over and over. Ok this seems to make him a hero on your board. Fair enough, you want him that's fine. I'm sure he loves the attention he gets and if you lot want to fawn over him most of us couldn't care less as many on here don't care what happens on your board as we don't go there.

As for the Heysel thing again your wrong. Plenty brought up the subject on various threads and not been banned. Uncomfortable for some I agree, hardly our finest hour. However NOF wasn't banned for "mentioning Heysel" though was he. He was banned for labelling all Liverpool fans murderers. Not exactly subtle or in fact accurate (nothing new for NOF there). You should also take into account that as a group of fans we have had murderers thrown at us with regard to not just Heysel but the events of Hillsborough too so it was a comment designed by him to create maximum effect. I'm sure he's very proud of himself right now for getting the reaction he wanted but he really shouldn't be. Neither should you be quite so quick to offer up apologies for him when you quite clearly only have his side of the story.

 

I have highlighted that because I feel it is key to this discussion. Further more, I have highlighted the one would because they is THE key point.

I agree that mods should look out for the interest of the board and I have already said I would not take action against someone for purely annoying me (there are a couple that wouldn't be here now if that was the case ), as an individually you try to discuss and work it out IMO. However, it as been made clear in this thread that the ban applied to Sweats was not taken in this way, it was a dispute between two posters and one of them happened to be a mod. That mod as since admitted to overreacting too.

The reaction that BoW has had to face since as been absolutely ridiculous and no poster, mod or not, should have to put up with the stuff he has had in the last twelve to fourteen hours!


Edit: this is not just aimed at you Dave, just felt your comment was important

 

The fact that you amongst other opposition fans have always been welcome on our board suggests it isn't an "us or them" thing at all Eric. This is about NOF being a cowardly prick who in general offers nothing of value to this board, instead he just takes the opposite line to whatever the general consensus is JUST to get a reaction It was boring 6 months ago and it's still boring now and quite frankly it discourages genuine fans from even bothering. His sole intention is to descend every thread into a borefest and it's the only thing he actually seems to have a talent for.