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Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by velachiperoo, Aug 21, 2011.

  1. Drogs

    Drogs Well-Known Member

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    <laugh> Just starting a bit of banter with you lot, don't take it too heavily :)
     
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  2. Drop in anytime ;)
     
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  3. MrWright!

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    **** OFF AWAY FROM OUR BOARD YOU ****ING LITTLE ****ING ******** I'LL ****ING SLICE YOU UP WITH A BIG ****ING KNIFE COVERED IN AIDS RIDDEN **** YOU ****ING COCK

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  4. Drogs

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    <laugh> Seems the majority of people on this board have at least one thing in common with Arsenal, all immature
     
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  5. velachiperoo

    velachiperoo Well-Known Member

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    Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllll this thread lost its way
     
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  6. MrWright!

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    I got bored what can i say
     
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  7. Apologies to the OP. Don't know how we got sidetracked..... ;)


    Your shopping list dare I say it, would break Arsene's bank my friend. Shwan said he would only be spending £20m of the Fabregas sale proceeds which may seem about right, given Wenger's well-known parsimonious approach. If his scouts have been working hard over the summer it may be possible to regroup with new, relatively lesser-known players or even cutting down on the list itself. Who knows what's in his mind. I dare say his days will be numbered if he does not produce the goods. I don't think we can afford to drop out of the Top 4 but Arsene may consider the Europa League not a bad place to regroup after the departure of Fabregas and possibly Nasri. It would to most of us and players we wish to keep or attract to be an indication of a lack of ambition. I think it's not that. It's more an absence of direction.
     
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  8. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

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    If you start coming on this board just to wum you wont be going on whatever board "you like"<ok>
     
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  9. Drogs

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    No 'wumming' involved fella, just straight up truth in which Goons cannot take :)
     
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  10. velachiperoo

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    I actually don't think it would seeing as before we started this season our CASH reserves exceed a 100mn - and i dont see why if we sell 4 players for 60mn+ and probably another 20mn+ in wages when there was no financial incentive to sell that those funds cant be reinvested. I do agree that Wenger's frugal nature will mean half if not less will be spent. I am stating what i would like to see what happens, realistically I see a CB coming in and that is it. But just saying I really wish he would go HELL FOR LEATHER and go splurge.

    I agree that Wenger has given up on winning and will look to rebuild (again), which will be fine by the board as long as the club is running in the black, but I would like to see a change in focus. This also includes addressing our tacital naivety. I dont understand why we have to FB's who run up the pitch, when neither can cross and on the rare occasion they do a good cross there is no one there to head it in, and leave themselves horribly exposed at the back. When this happens players like Song/Wilshere/Frimpong/Ramsey have to sit back and cover the gaps rather than charging to get to the box.

    Also in the three games so far it cleary look like Wenger has asked the mf to play with more pace/on the break as we have lost Fabregas's passing range but they seem to be sprinting with the ball with no thought or end product. The tacital naivety on the whole is my biggest concern for the team. If we address those issues then i believe even without reinforcements we can get 4th. But for some reason it isn't happening and i feel bringing in new players while giving a boost to the team will hopefully also lead to a re-addressing of tactics. I am not expecting him to buy all those players but I really wish he would. SOMEONE has to tell Wenger the gap between realistic prices and the reality of what a player today costs. Whether he likes it or not Cahill will cost 17mn/Jag 18mn/Baines 15mn/ Mata 23.5 mn apparently, cheaper than the price we are selling Nasri at/ Hazard 25-30mn.

    In the case of Gervinho and OXO i think he has gone with the intention of spending 10mn odd and then looking for a player rather than looking for a player and then contemplating price. Which worries me as to the level of player we are looking at as opposed to the type of player we could actually attract - like you said direction.

    Again whatever happens I will support Arsenal and Wenger but I would like more - from the players/manager/board. Oh and whatever happens I would like both Wenger and Board to shut up about how many players they are looking at and how much money they have to spend/will spend - as NIKE says JUST DO IT FOR ***** SAKE (last bit maybe embelished)
     
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  11. Well my friend

    Since my response above, you, I and a few others may have read the link posted by Velachiperoo. If that has a bearing on what is behind the scenes then the 100m Arsene has may not be that much. Let me explain.

    Assume a 5 year contract and that the incoming players are paid 150K

    If you bring in 2 such players, the salary bill for them would be ( 2x7.8 ) 15.6m per annum. Add National Insurance to that and it comes to 17.2m. I'm assuming these players are on PAYE and not self-employed. I heard on a program last week that Arsene has to factor into his calculations not only the purchae price of the player but also the salaries as well. 100m soon becomes not very much at this rate.

    We may need to address most of our issues with the board and not Arsene...

    On the basis of the above assumption, most of the top spending clubs are not financially viable. Chelsea, City and Liverpool have rich benefactors. Perhaps that is what we need as well. Stan ain't the man.
     
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  12. velachiperoo

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    LOL I am Velachipperoo the article was posted by EmirAleks (just felt it needed its own post) - It would explain a lot and would lend more credence to my point that the board should shut up, although I understand why Wenger is forced to say what he says. The 100mn is what we have in cash meaning if we wanted to we could spend not saying all of it is available. My point is a critique of everything to do with Arsenal at the moment - including/especially the board. But even if you take wages into account Fab/Nasri/Denilson/Eboue/Vela/Clichy and other potential departures frees up 20mn plus in wages and brings in 60mn in transfer fees. Couple that with room in the budget for one more CB. I think there should be enough to get 3-4 of the players i have mentioned apart from Mata I dont see the wages of Hazard/Cahill/Baines/Parker being exorbitant, probably ranging from 50-75k a week.

    So yes while this article does make a lot of sense I think there is a lot of room to maneuver there its just now clear that the BOARD does not want to, which frustrates me more. As the cash reserves will be earning at best 5% if they are kept accessible (5mn income earned which is less than inflation so actually losing money) while I imagine our debt burden will be earning 10-20% so we are getting hit twice over (dont know why they dont pour it straight into the OD).

    On top of which if we fail to qualify for the champions league it could lead to a decrease in revenue of 30mn+ and also adversely affect our potential corporate sponsorships going forward. It just seems such a backwards decision both in footballing terms as well as financial terms to hold such a large cash balance for no particular purpose. Honestly I feel they do this so evaluators have to account for the cash value in direct terms when valuating the club as opposed to intangible assets like a players worth so we look better therefore our stock price is higher when the board look to sell their stocks so they can maximise their own holdings.

    I will always credit this club with trying to run the right way especially while building the stadium but the whole purpose was to maximise our earnings to reinvest into the club which has not happened. Maybe they are hoping we finish 5th/6th and Man city and Chelsea get kicked out of CL due FFP and we get in anyway so win win.
     
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  13. Sun_Tea_Car_Zoo_La

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    Do u realy think Arsene Wenger is going to spend £90 million on new signings?? No fricking way matey even if Messi, Pique, Xavi, Iniesta, Abidal and David Villa were put up for sale for a combined £90 million with wages of £50k pw would he spend that sort of money!
     
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