Have to agree with you Dai, I'd like to see a cap of foreign players in all clubs, i.e. at least half the players in a match day squad must be British. Problem is, someone will probably wave the human right flag at the clubs, and were in breach of their human rights.
I can remember the swans fielding 80% local players years ago and the only foreigners were english ,irish or scots... we were ****e.. not really we were in the old div 2....
Dai has a good point about foreign players in the prem as loads of peeps i talk to also agree they shine here then go back to thier respective national squads and know the weaknesses of the brit players as they play them week in week out , its hard to combat that without drastic changes but the money men (FA) wont have that will they ?
I certainly don't want to see them with less support than they already have Dai??!! The crowd yesterday was pitiful. It's our national team for ffs. We may as well just give up totally, if that's the case. Whatever we think of the FAW or the manager, should we give up on the team too?? We'll just end up 'rubbing' our players' noses in it instead!! It's really bad enough as it is. I think there's a good number there, who do really care & are trying to play for the cause. Bellamy, Ramsey, Bale, Jonny Williams, Ben, Allen, Ledley, Ash, Matthews, Taylor, Ricketts & one or two others I feel come to mind. Poor Johnny was literally 'kicked' out of the last game.... Think conceding 9 goals in two games against Serbia is bad enough, but playing in front of what seems like the remaining hardcore, must feel as bad as it gets. I know results will drive crowds. But we all know we need our best 11 just to compete at the best of times. Throw in a few journeymen, as it inevitably ends up due to injuries, suspensions the like & it turns into a mountain to climb!! Do we also forget, we haven't really got one out & out striker of any real credibility to call on. Was discussing the whole Welsh set-up, including the slide of the U21's since Flynny left, with a work colleague today & I'm really at a loss to see where we go from here. I find it immensely depressing to see our national teams' come to this & I think it would now need something like a combined voice of dissaproval in the direction of the FAW from some ex Welsh legends, whoever it may be, to show as Welsh football fans, we're not prepared to put up with this mediocrity anymore. Enough is enough, surely something has to be done. We need a reaction & they need a kick-up 'where the sun don't shine'!!! Yes, we are a small nation. But there's plenty of similar size, punching way above their weight. We need to put the belief back into our national side. Maybe us 'fans' could make a start by getting behind our team.... If anyone should know this, it should be 'us' Welsh Club football fans'. We Swans, them Cardiff & our friends further up the road, Newport, have all come back up to where we are now, by doing it the hard way.... C'mon Wales...
I do just so that the top bosses will be forced to stand down. we cant go on being run like this any longer by these losers. I want to start from scratch with people that put wales first and not themselves....I want to see 72,000 back at the millenium like we saw a decade ago and we wont see that until we hit rock bottom and are forced to change. Im not being unpatriotic here but as a football lover i cant take anymore of the FAW...
No we haven't. Hughes was a tactical moron who started a must win game at home with one upfront and five deep lying midfielders. The damage he did by convincing mediocre players that they were hot sh*t (thus all the precious little darlings started retiring when Toshack told them the truth) still hasn't been fully repaired. Jesus Christ...
If the number of foreign players is the reason why England are rubbish, can anyone please explain why they failed to qualify for almost half the World Cups between 1966 and 1998 when English football was almost totally foreigner free? Anyone? Can you explain that? No. Obviously nobody can because it's total cobblers. England have only failed to qualify for one WC since the advent of the Premier League and subsequent influx of foreign players, and that was the very first one after it launched. Foreigners are not the reason for the lack of World Class English players unless you're a dumbass who just dislikes people with funny accents. The lack of quality coaches (again). The obsession with size, strength and speed over technical skill at junior level. The generally low levels of intelligence in British footballers. The misguided belief that "winning" somehow means anything at junior level. All are far more culpable. If the PL has been at fault it's been in hyping up an occasionally average product as something special. When someone as lacking in basic technique as Wayne Rooney is being paid £250k a week and lauded as one of the best players in the World by SKY then obviously the masses are going to keep thinking that everything's OK. Jack Wilshere is being hyped as the next big thing when Spain produces half a dozen young players just as good every year. Junior football needs to be massively revamped. Parents need to be banned from games. Players should just be concentrating on developing their skills until at least the u13s. Game time should also be linked to academic performance in school. If the child isn't doing well academically then they don't play, no matter how good they are.
I new when I came back on here after a few days break, we would have a thread on Coleman out!................... Lone you are on the money, he is clueless, and was indeed the cheap option, shame the FAW, didn't respect Speeds legacy, and kept his Dutch No 2 in charge, but there you go, I really feel that the FAW should be consigned to all things amateur football IE: Welsh League!................
To add salt to the wounds ..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24057217 .... now we seem to have a difference in facts between Coleman and Collins. One of them is not giving it straight.
None of what you wrote even attempted to use facts to disprove what I said. Why is finishing second in our group and reaching the play offs so much worse than what others have (not) achieved? And again, absolutely nothing to reply about me saying Brian Flynn except 'Jesus Christ'? No facts and reasoning = no validity in comment. Hughes gave us our joint highest finishing position for a couple of decades, that is the only fact worth considering during his tenure. Bryan Flynn achieved a lot by our standards at U21 international level, that is the only fact worth considering. Stop being idiotic and provide a decent counter argument or none at all.
I've provided one fact about Hughes already which you have conveniently overlooked. His record in competitive internationals was worse than Bobby Goulds. Neither have you provided a sensible explanation of his tactics in the Russia game or his habit of telling talent free cloggers like Robbie Savage that they were something special. His entire management career has been one of mediocrity, and his entire reputation as Wales boss based on one win against the Italians. And to be honest, "Jesus Christ" is about the only response I can come up with to someone who I presume witnessed Flynn's stellar career in the basement division, suffered through his tenure at Swansea and the one game where he got hold of the senior Wales side along with the rest of us and still thinks he's the way forward, although "you complete mentalist" I suppose would do in a pinch.
Ah yes, where Wales had three key chances just as Russia did and we but the post and Russia's **** happened to go in and be the single one deciding factor. Criticising him after looking at his achievement is ludicrous and deserves no more attention from me, I am all for discussion but only if there is logic involved. And yeah, Flynn's poor record in the lower leagues as you appear to be insinuating. He did alright for us and for Darlington currently, can't believe you forgot both considering one involves the club you support and the other was national news only five months ago as the most dramatic final moments of a football match in several years. I am sorry to say but /discussion.
So failing to do something is an achievement and I'm ludicrous? Heh. He did alright for us? He was sacked in case you've forgotten. Finished bottom of the entire football league twice with Wrexham, nearly did with us and this is the man who you think is the best option to take Wales forward? Do you think George W. Bush is capable of negotiating peace in the Middle East as well or is it just football managers whose capabilities you're completely oblivious to?
Yes, in this instance your comments are ludicrous. I find it insane how you are the only Swans fan I have ever come across that does not credit Flynn with saving the Swans from the bankruptcy we would have endured if we lost on that final day, I am not not entirely convinced you are aware of what happened 10 years ago. You say he nearly got us relegated, everybody else says he had to go cap in hand to local footballers and get them working to prevent relegation out of the entire football league. Do you want another shovel? The one you are digging with must be very blunt by now.
You're obviously not looking very hard. I know loads. Local footballers like Alan Tate, Leon Britton, Kevin Nugent, Lenny Johnrose and Roberto Martinez? Aye, they're all from Townhill like. Played for free too out of love for the little guy. Flynn was given a free reign to rebuild Cusack's squad, a much bigger budget and still we barely survived. Saved in actual fact by a hat trick from a player he treated like sh*t and did his best to sideline. Let loose with his own methods the season after he failed miserably and got sacked in disgrace. This is the stellar managerial specimen you think capable of reviving Wales? If I've got a shovel, you've got a team of JCB's working around the clock fella.
