Time to go Pardew

I understand the frustration, I'm frustrated myself, but if we are pointing fingers at anybody, I think Pardew is just too far down the list to be our scapegoat for persecution and burning at the stake.

Just for fun, let's try and list it in order we think the blame lies;

The JPF's Fun Scapegoat List

1. Mike Ashley - We've just had an appalling season off the back of 3 seasons impressive progression. One thing he has done right is allowing Pardew to keep his best players for years, but at the cost of really utilizing what we had the foundations for. He's kept faith in Pardew, which whether you're for or against him, you cannot yet claim as negative or positive (it just isn't, unless you have a crystal ball), yet he has severely undermined his position and humiliated him by imposing JFK on him. Inevitably the press got wind of it and whirled it into a ferocious ****-storm, painting it allegorically against a backdrop of the certainty of tumultuous times ahead for the black and white, and JFK duly obliged them in mispronouncing the names of all our best players, claiming to be Sir Alex's best friend and supreme entity of the universe.

If you have a cack season, you can't lose fringe players, change nowt else, and expect different results.

2. JFK - The superstar from another teenage alcoholic mum at the bar. If you're going to claim to be the second-coming, at least be able to pull off some second rate magic tricks like Dynamo... He's categorically failed in his task, because we've only signed two people this summer... And one of them is him... He's put pressure on the manager, attracted the attention of the press, which has put pressure on the players, and now he's presumably dashing around St James' Park naked on Ashley's request. A waste of good oxygen.

3. The players - We've seen the talent most of them possess, if all too fleetingly, but they have no stomach whatsoever if things go against them. If Herodotus had penned the story of the 300 Newcastle Players vs the Persian millions (or, more probably, thousands), it would have been set as the world's first comic performance, and he'd have invented the Benny Hill theme tune to fittingly go a long with it. Utter cowards. And now coward in chief, Mr Invisible, decides he's had enough of playing like a translucent sloth and then milking the applause of the Gallowgate... At the moment, I reserve praise pretty much solely for Ben Arfa and Tim Krul, who seem determined to give everything for the cause.

4. Arsenal and Wenger - Football has totally become the preserve of thugs, criminals, pettiness and ungentlemanly conduct, but really the disrespect Arsenal showed in putting that bid in for Cabaye at that time? I fully back Pardew on that, it's classless. I'd have faxed two words back to the French twat, and one of them would have rhymed with duck.

5. The Press - Professional ****-stirrers. Not many other clubs are like shark-bait to this bunch of inbreds, but we seem permanently stuck in their sights. We give them ammunition, and if not, they make it up themselves. They have orchestrated a lot of the aggro this summer, and put us under pressure.

6. Pardew - I actually think he's set us up well in both of the last two games. West Ham are a tough defensive unit, and Man City just are miles better in every position. The excuses? They bother me, sure, but anything a losing manager EVER says bothers the supporters after a few losses. He could say "yeah I'm going to kick butt and turn this around", or "I back my team to come back stronger", or "I take full responsibility for this failure" etc etc, it's all going to lead to a rabid fan base with copious lighter fluid and homemade torches. His fault then, is not being stronger. He's just taking this s***, the appointments above his head, the ****tiness of other manager's, and he's still flapping his gums and getting on with the job. After the season he had last year, he should have said, "look, let me have the chance to turn this around, my way, or fire me, because I'm not being a scapegoat when this goes wrong if I'm not at fault".

7. Mr Carr... Someone nudge him, he must have fallen asleep. We need a few gems now Graham...
Although, #2 will just scare them away, then #5 will have another field day at our expense.

 

quite sad times at the minute ... no desire . being proved again ... and again . we need changes and this owner just aint up for it ..doesn't matter who the manager is . he has the final say ....

NO DESIRE TO TAKE THIS CLUB FORWARD... till this bloke is bought out and forced out ... we are stuck with scraping by .. and why ..this club has a great history loyal fans ,deserves some sort of success ( sometime lol) but it aint going to happen ...any time soon ..


do we ask for to much ..to ask for a side that wants to compete at the highest level and fight for places with youth and experience ...well no really its a great club just ran by an idiot ,who is money motivated ... well it may take a vote with your feet ,stance or just put up with this and hope for the best ..

I don't want to keep coming in and making threads of doom and gloom ..all the time ... its time wake up... everyone or accept what s happening..

 

Well said sir, sums up exactly where the majority of us are.

 

Hmm, so the press, Arsene Wenger & Joe Kinnear are more to blame than Pardew?

Kinnear has got one player in on loan and sold James Perch. Pardew signed the players he has at his disposal so I can't see how that's JK's fault.

The media are always going to be the same. Over-sensationalised and made-up guff is standard fare for every major football club.

Arsene Wenger or whoever else could make a bid for a player at anytime and it shouldn't affect a professional footballers ability to kick a ball. No professional sportsperson should be that weak-minded that they are 'put-off' by interest from other clubs. Did Cabaye instantly stop playing for his last team when we made a bid for him?

I can agree to a degree, that the players must equally share the blame for our dismal performances towards the end of last season and continuing into this one.

Pardew is the manager, he chooses the team and the 'tactics' (4-4-1-1) and takes training every day. If the players are not responding to him then surely he must be to blame? I agree that Ashley is not backing him enough, but we're not in Yewrope this season and won't be for a long time, we have pretty much the squad number we had when we finished 5th, and I think Ashley & Kinnear are going to wait and see how the first few months go. A new manager and January signings looks likely to me, and on current showing, I believe that'll be fair enough.

 

You see, this sentiment has always bothered me and I've heard it from fans of nigh on every club in one form or another. Players not responding to a manager? Should these "professional" players not be good enough, adaptable enough and, once again that word, professional enough to knuckle down and play for the manager as he wants them to play? Now yes there are players being played out of position, Jonas has been on the pitch for example and I, like everyone else, have been crying out for Anita to get more game time. But for the highly paid shirkers to not have the common decency to put in a shift when they are privileged to be playing in supposedly the best league in the world is inexcusable. Every day each and every one of these players should feel grateful and humbled that 52,000 fans are willing to pay hard earned cash to go watch and idolise them.

And yes I know this is just a fantasy and sounds incredibly naieve in today's world of commerce and greed but whenever I'm on the pitch in my crappy 5-a-side team, I give my all and never give in even if we're taking a right beating.
As for Cabaye, yes it was a dick move for Arsenal to bid just before match day but we pay Cabaye's wages ffs. I can't call up my boss and say I don't really feel like working on Tuesday because I've been contacted by someone on LinkedIn about a possible job. Stop whining like a little bitch or get the **** out of my club! Don't get me wrong, if he stays and puts a shift in, I'll back him to the hilt, but right now I couldn't give a **** about him.

You're right about JK, he has done nothing apart from the Remy deal (Still a good deal imho, just unfortunate that our medical staff would miss a broken leg in the excitement of signing a player!) Question is, is Remy enough for us and does it balance out the disruption and uncertainty that JK's appointment has brought to the club? I'd say no on both counts but that's a black mark against MA for making the appointment, not JK. JK does need to keep his mouth shut and get on with his job though.

I think that will do me for ranting this evening, back to the rum...

Oh, one last thing that's still bugging me, if you're gonna bring back iconic gates, DON'T PUT THEM IN FRONT OF A SODDING WALL!


Jerks.

 

This discussion shouldn't be happening in the first place.
He should have gone at the end of last season, and its just more bad management that he was kept on.

I wanted to give him one more chance, I thought start afresh but, I'm sorry its just not happening.

I've been positive, I convinced myself that things would improve, I backed my optimism with money at the bookies. I even broke every rule I have in fantasy football and put Cisse in one of my teams yesterday. Blind faith and stupidity.

I didn't know the team yesterday until the players came out and to see Shola standing there was surreal, it shouldn't be happening. I knew then that all bets were down, and the optimism went.

We then went onto play hoofball when we got the ball, lets kick the ball as high and as often as we can up to Cisse and Shola and watch the WHU defenders head the ball away so we can repeat it again. One of the worst offenders for that by the way is Krul, good shotstopper he may be, but his distribution of the ball is becoming a joke.
We can all look for the positives from yesterday, Anita, Clean Sheet, One Point better off, Mbiwa - all well and good, and yes it was an improvement. But an improvement on what - compared to what.

I have one word for yesterday - TURGID.

Two comparisons that come to mind to me are the team from 08/09 - I think the current team is worse and look what happened that season.
The second goes back further to 88/89, one of the worst teams I remember in black n white.
The point is both teams as well as this were under inept management, be it on the pitch or boardroom and both ended in relegation.
On those occasions we had narrowly missed relegation the season before - the parallels with this team are there in full glare of everyone and lessons are not being learned by MA for 08/09.

As it stands 'WE ARE SLOWLY SLEEPWALKING TO DISASTER'.

I'm not one for advocating sack the manager all the time. We've done it too many times, some right, some wrong.

We need change and it has to start with Pardew going.

After the Fulham game there is a two week break for internationals, MA should take a leaf out of Freddie Shepherds book and do it then giving a new manager the chance to get to know players before the Villa game.

It wont happen of course.

 

Brilliant post.

 

My sentiments exactly. I'm bored of the excuses made for these prima donnas. They're not playing for the ****ing manager??? Nice to know they give a **** about the money we're paying to watch them go through the motions. Then we have Cabaye who thinks its ok to down tools. The club and manager should stop his wages immediately. At the very least fine the **** the maximum. They won't because the PFA will be all over them and they'll be too worried about creating bad feeling amongst the players. Which says a lot about this bunch and modern footballers in general. I said before a ball was kicked I've become bored of modern football, and this exactly why. They're a bunch of spineless ****wits with no moral compass.

 

The point i'm making is that when we finished 5th, Pardew had the squad pulling together and fighting.

That is certainly no longer the case.

Players are players, they will plod through until the manager gives them something extra. Look at the reaction of any club that has been lucky enough to have employed Jose Mourinho - an instant reaction from the players who suddenly raise their game. Top managers inspire, Pardew did it for a while but he really isn't any more.

Ok, Mourinho/Pardew isn't a fair comparison, it's like comparing Ferrari/Vauxhall, but hopefully you take my point.

 

I blame Pardew more than most. He has a very good team at his disposal, but can't play to their strengths. Cisse is a great goal scorer with a track record to back it up, but we create zero chances for him. We have a number of creative players who are left redundant by long balls or the 'let Ben Arfa beat everyone' tactic.

Anyone would do a better job, JFK included, although I'd hope we would aim a little higher. Poyet must be in the thoughts of our clubs hierarchy, like most decent managers id imagine he'd love to work with a team like ours, assuming we get a striker and winger in.

We live in hope.