Time to ban Sisu

I'm glad someone appreciates that. I doubt yours will be a popular view, however.

 

Of course. Even then the vote overwhelmingly is in favour of a ban.

A lot of the Nos, are ****stirrers such as HIAG, Watford, Red Devil, Sisu.
We took a democratic vote on reinstating HIAg, why can we not take a democratic vote on banning Sisu?

Surely a democratic vote by users of the board is better than an arbritrary decision by Liverpool and United mods to ban all Chelsea fans for example

 

Not that it's really my place to say what happens on the Chelsea board, but surely it's up to your mods to decide ? That is after all why they are mods. It's very noble having a democratic vote, but you end up with a situation like HAIG, where he was reinstated, and is now taking the piss and trying to goad your members in to a spat again, predictable ? - Yes. Avoidable ? again yes, but what are you going to do ? have another vote whether to ban him ? As I said, personally, I'd leave it to your mods.

 

Fair enough, Piskie. We've had our vote, overwhelming in favour of banning Sisu, and it is now the mods' decision.

I think we only counted Chelsea votes in the reinstatement of HIAG in the end.

You get no votes from WUMs who fear they will be banned themselves.

I, personally, will spend less time on this forum if Sisu comes on this forum constantly ruining decent threads for Chelsea fans. Others may be happy to have him on here, especially opposition fans, who enjoy threads being derailed.

I'm not so sure Chelsea fans enjoy him derailing threads

 

HIAG my input was not required on this thread by EC. My actions since I was unbanned speak for themselves. I have only "got to" Chelsea fans on the united board hence the lick arse comments.

EC wants me banned, he has his reasons and tbh the problem is all his, I don't think I've done much other than disagree with a few posts, I don't appear on every thread starting ****, in fact quite the opposite.

 

I can appreciate it when someone makes a fairly weighted post like this, very honest. Respect for Bodanki

FYI I don't like me sometimes either

 

The Liverpool board has had many Heysel Hillsborough related bans as well as the Suarez Evra incidents, people were unbanned when unfair but most were justified, especially the ones concerning people who just started arguments off topic on every single thread until at one point every thread read the same

 

I have to ask this Sisu, why does your board ban people for holding a contrary view of events about the Heysel incident? Your fans were actually at fault although the Juve fans must share some portion of blame as there is rarely smoke without fire.

 

good question

People call us murderers. - Italian supporters pressed against a wall causing it to fall on italian fans, Liverpool and Juve asked not to play in that stadium because of its condition. People were kicking holes in walls to get into other sections, it was a rotting stadium unfit for purpose.

There were meant to be neutral fans seperating the supporter sections of Liverpool and Juve as both countries had awful hooligan trouble, but that section was filled with Juve fans.

People came on to the board calling us murderers and also starting debates to try label us such while ignoring the facts of the whole tragedy.

Liverpool fans Juve fans UEFA and the Italian authorities were to blame for a tragedy that cost many lives and seeing as it cost the lives of football supporters it is not acceptable to use it as a stick to beat Liverpool fans with to score forum points

 

Whilst there could have been some degree of blame for the authorities and UEFA for not putting in place the optimum safe conditions, it is disingenuous to put equal blame on them. The blame must rest squarely with the liverpool fans. It is like someone committing a house burglary and then blaming the owner for not having the best locks available. The Liverpool fans did not HAVE to attack or charge the other fans in the stadium !

 

Don't think it's quite that simple. If you were having a fight with someone in a football stadium and they punched you, then you punched them and they fell against a wall which gave way causing them to fall to their death, was that purely your fault? That is essentially what happened - the Juventus fans were throwing missiles and rioting just as much as the Liverpool fans. The only difference was that the area of the stadium where the disaster occurred had far more Liverpool fans than Juve fans - had the 'neutral' section been up the other end then it could have been Liverpool fans who died.

The official Belgian investigation into the disaster blamed the Belgian authorities, police and UEFA as much as the Liverpool fans. 14 Liverpool fans were found guilty of manslaughter, but so were the head of the Belgian FA and the police officer in charge of the match. The Belgian FA were also found responsible for most of the civil damages awarded to the families of the victims, as it was the BFA who had put a small group of Juve fans right next to all the LFC fans, in an area which was set aside for 'neutrals' and so had no police there.

 

You see this is why people get banned, people ignore facts in an effort to put blame squarely on Liverpool fans without logically looking at the facts that are there for all to see. I offer facts that led to a tragedy you offer blame and analogies that don;t in any way fit the situation just so you can say Liverpool fans were to blame. I have no doubt you believed the SYP and Boris too until the truth came out for forced you to rethink your tribally guided opinions.

The fact you are now trying to make this a Heysel debate proves that point. This is not the place to discuss this and you are now using stupid analogies that do not and cannot apply to this subject. Your post is a perfect example of why people get banned from the board. Your analogies prove you don;t know the facts and I find it a little sad that you narrow it down to Liverool fans when it was Englands hooliganism problem that caused the ban, if you are English it was your fellow countrymen at that game, narrowing it down to Liverpool fans in order to lay blame is ignorant tribalism at best.

Arsenal warned UEFA, Liverpool and Juve asked not to play in the stadium. UEFA were well aware trouble would start and ignored the complaints and a tragedy occurred.

now if you don't mind, this is not the time for you to be trying to change facts of a tragedy so you can ignorantly lay blame on one party.

 

Thanks for the correction, Belgian authorities

 

I see one person doing the goading Piskie, and it is you. The fact you can't get the reaction you want from HIAG is getting to you and boring the **** out of the rest of us. As a courtesy to the Chelsea posters, surely you should keep your obsession from their board? Your transparent attempt to undermine the Chelsea mods is obvious to all and very disrespectful.

 

There's two of in the mix, HIAG's no angel and he has heaped a lot on himself by the way he went on and on about stuff during the powershift (tm) season and of course his arrogant condescending and smug attitude has not done himself any favours. After copious servings of humble pie he has dimmed those traits but they will reappear in surplus amounts as soon as Spurs improve their situation I have no doubt.

 

But it's harmless fun. He made an arse of himself (he claims intentionally, but not sure of that) but the level of vitriol from Piskie is way out of proportion. The same drive to ban him, is trying to ban you also. I'd have thought you'd be more sympathetic to him.

 

Whilst I would agree that its all harmless fun, you can't say HIAG is having harmless fun and with the same breath say PISKIE is not just because HIAG was found out.

The existence and content of the mouser thread are testament to HIAGs disposition on not606, I feel no pity for the lad who at every chance mocks Liverpool FC the people of the city and fans who support the club at every opportunity

My responding to such tripe on your board got me banned, I never got into it on any other thread on your board but the mouser thread and that is a fact.

 

I can and I do Found out? Everyone knows the mighty juggernault stalled, wasn't a secret.

For the record I don't like the mouser thread (or even the word mouser), but I've not really seen anything too disrespectful. And HIAG is often the one to step in if it goes that way. I do understand your view of it though.

 

I mean, found out as in he can dish it out non stop but as soon as it comes back at him he wilted like a tulip in december

 

You've listened to Piskie too much