Tim Sherwood

[KentGaz]

QPR fan in peace.
Following Harrys departure Sherwood is favourite to become our next manager. I was wondering if you could tell me how he did for you? what was the football like? etc.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

He won a lot of league games, played some pretty attacking football, lost all of our cup and big games and pissed off a number of players.
Brought through a number of youth players and left with a good record.
Mixed bag.

He got on with some of our more high strung players, like Adebayor, but seemed to alienate quite a few, as he basically doesn't have any diplomacy.
I suspect that he's better off with younger players, as they're less likely to think, "Who the **** is this guy?" and go into a strop.

You'll probably get quite a few different opinions about him on here.

 

[Spurf]

A bit like Redknapp in football philosophy which is against the grain in modern football, but could have a decent future if he gets a chance. His notable achievement at Spurs was bringing Bentaleb through and getting the best out of Adebayor.

 

[Swords Hoopster.]

My take on him when he was your Manager lads was that he didn't know how to handle the media, was a bit of a loose cannon and came across as a bit thick. He seemed to start well for you but lost all the big games. No offence but I wouldn't want him as Manager. He looks like he'd start a fight in an empty room.

Having said that, you fellas know much more about him than I do.

 

[No Kane No Gain]

He's a twat. Everytime he opened his gob since he got the manager's job it has been to either criticise the club/players or to take credit for anything that goes right at the club. Being sacked just gave him more time to spout his garbage, even today he's been in the Telegraph again spouting off about it was his genius that got Kane where he is today.

I want him to get a job so he has something else to distract him for awhile but I wouldn't wish him on anyone.

Others will disagree and say some of the players needed a kick up the arse but this is my take. I bet Sandro will be delighted to see him again

 

[O.Spurcat]

I think I might be in the minority here, but I think he has something to offer. For sure, he can be abrasive and some of his thoughts on certain football matters can be unnecessarily dismissive. For example, he has no time for people who do not have a football "pedigree".

There are a lot of people at Tottenham who privately quite admired the way he took on our prima-Donna players head on and took them down a step or two. But, he does work effectively with young players, is not frightened of giving them their chance and then sticking with them. If I was a QPR supporter, I would be more concerned about Ferdinand and Ramsey than I would Sherwood.

 

[remembercolinlee]

I found his antics on the sidelines with other coaches and players embarrassing to be honest.
He gave us far more interesting football to watch than AVB but he is a bit smoke and mirrors for me.

He constantly spoke about his 55% win rate in the league but conveniently did not include his cup record:
played 1 coc game - lost
played 1 fa cup game - lost
played 4 Europa League games - won 1 drew 1 lost 2 and the game we won the opposition were down to 10 men

For every good match such as beating man utd away; beating southampton 3-2 home and away, 4 nil away to newcastle and coming back from 3 nil down to draw 3 all away to west brom there were some complete ****e for which he took no responsibility such as:
losing 4 nil away to chelsea and liverpool...one of the worst spurs performances in the last decade v west ham away...losing 5-1 to man city at home...

was glad he left

 

[yidokev]

He won a lot of league games, played some pretty attacking football, lost all of our cup and big games and pissed off a number of players.
Brought through a number of youth players and left with a good record.
Mixed bag.

He got on with some of our more high strung players, like Adebayor, but seemed to alienate quite a few, as he basically doesn't have any diplomacy.
I suspect that he's better off with younger players, as they're less likely to think, "Who the **** is this guy?" and go into a strop.

Captain of a Premier League winning team, I think he deserved respect

You'll probably get quite a few different opinions about him on here.

He's a twat. Everytime he opened his gob since he got the manager's job it has been to either criticise the club/players or to take credit for anything that goes right at the club. Being sacked just gave him more time to spout his garbage, even today he's been in the Telegraph again spouting off about it was his genius that got Kane where he is today.

I want him to get a job so he has something else to distract him for awhile but I wouldn't wish him on anyone.

Others will disagree and say some of the players needed a kick up the arse but this is my take. I bet Sandro will be delighted to see him again

Sherwood was the first person to really put his trust in Kane and Bentaleb, he deserves credit for that

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

Captain of a Premier League winning team, I think he deserved respect

Not as a manager. He was unqualified and inexperienced.
Paul Lambert won the Champions League. Villa couldn't score in a brothel at the moment, despite having some good strikers.
Shearer won the Premier League. His 12.5% win ratio as Newcastle manager wasn't up to much.

 

[littleDinosaurLuke]

Is he the sort of manager you'd bring into a relegation dogfight with a squad of mainly ageing players?

Bring back Warnock

 

[No Kane No Gain]

Sherwood was the first person to really put his trust in Kane and Bentaleb, he deserves credit for that

Bentaleb, sure, but Kane? He hardly used him until the last 5 games when 4th was as good as gone, there was strong speculation that Tim was going to be sacked at the end of the season and Soldado was injured for at least the first 2 games, as I recall.

That's not to say he doesn't deserve any credit for giving youngsters a go but apart from Bentaleb he didn't seem to put much trust in the others. Fryers, Kane, Veljkovic and the other midfielder whose name escapes me at the moment all seemed to be given fairly token amounts of time unless there was injuries.

Sherwood has made some bold claims though, one of which is that Kane would probably be out on loan in the Championship if it wasn't for him. I'll just let that sit there.

My real big problem with him is that he's always making it about him when there's praise to be handed out and dishing out the blame to everyone else when it doesn't. Even Guardiola didn't have the front to go out after getting battered by Real Madrid last season and wash his hands of it, blaming the players, he took the responsibility like a good boss should. Sherwood said whatever the Hell he felt like and called it being "honest" which simply doesn't wash when you look at the things he's said.

 

[lennypops]

...So I think, Kentgaz, that you're getting the message that Sherwood's media presence and gob are almost a carbon copy of Harry Redknapp. So if Harry's utterances in the media annoyed you then get ready for more of the same.

But I really do think Sherwood has to take a bit of credit for his work at Spurs last season and indeed before that. Simple fact is that we have 3 almost nailed-on starters (Bentaleb, Mason and Kane) who came through development with Sherwood and one or two besides who are in and around the first team (eg Townsend and, er, any more? Can we count Rose? Probably not). If you can't credit Sherwood with that then I don't know who should get the credit. And if he had not given Harry Kane his debut last season (wasn't it his first premier league start?) then I would absolutely imagine that he would have gone out on loan again this season.

He was not afraid to drop almost all of the big summer signings and stick to his guns that players like Bentaleb were more effective.

Now whether someone like him is what you need in QPR's position? I'm not sure - do you want someone abrasive with a point to prove and who is likely to piss off a good chunk of the dressing room? Someone who's happy to cast aside expensive purchases (whilst, to be fair, getting the best out of one or two who were previously ignored)?

For me the way he seemed to fracture the dressing room was his big fault and the main reason I did not want his tenure extended.

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

I'd honestly say Mason's form this season is in spite of Sherwood: it was Sherwood who signed off on Mason's loan to Lorient a couple of seasons ago where he didn't get a single minute on the pitch, while last season's loan to Swindon saw him feature far less regularly than Alex Pritchard or Grant Hall did - and Pritchard was far more impressive than Mason was last season, too.

 

[Swords Hoopster.]

If I was a QPR supporter, I would be more concerned about Ferdinand and Ramsey than I would Sherwood.

Please do elaborate mate

 

[KingHotspur]

If a Sherwood goes QPR I think he will keep u up but long term not sure how he will cope as he seems to fall out with players easily.

Be interesting to see how he would get on with Sandro and Joey Barton.

 

[totsfan]

Sherwood seems to be favorite for the job

 

[Dier Hard]

Started well with us, got the attacking football back and managed to get Ade firing again while introducing Nabil onto the scene but then it seemed as though he got too cocky after a few wins and thought he was the dogs bollocks. I think his attitude lost a lot of respect from players and the results started dropping. He spoke of his win percentage but that was from just 28 games, had he been in charge say 2 or 3 full seasons, that percentage would've dropped greatly.

 

[Spurm]

Everyone so far seems to have missed the most important point - he wears a gilet a lot

 

[No Kane No Gain]

...So I think, Kentgaz, that you're getting the message that Sherwood's media presence and gob are almost a carbon copy of Harry Redknapp. So if Harry's utterances in the media annoyed you then get ready for more of the same.

But I really do think Sherwood has to take a bit of credit for his work at Spurs last season and indeed before that. Simple fact is that we have 3 almost nailed-on starters (Bentaleb, Mason and Kane) who came through development with Sherwood and one or two besides who are in and around the first team (eg Townsend and, er, any more? Can we count Rose? Probably not). If you can't credit Sherwood with that then I don't know who should get the credit. And if he had not given Harry Kane his debut last season (wasn't it his first premier league start?) then I would absolutely imagine that he would have gone out on loan again this season.

He was not afraid to drop almost all of the big summer signings and stick to his guns that players like Bentaleb were more effective.

Now whether someone like him is what you need in QPR's position? I'm not sure - do you want someone abrasive with a point to prove and who is likely to piss off a good chunk of the dressing room? Someone who's happy to cast aside expensive purchases (whilst, to be fair, getting the best out of one or two who were previously ignored)?

For me the way he seemed to fracture the dressing room was his big fault and the main reason I did not want his tenure extended.

I think it's quite different. From the start with Redknapp he always talked up the quality in the squad but apart from the Bent comment I don't really remember him criticising anyone and I think that was only ever intended as a joke anyway. He's also been excellent since he left Spurs, there hasn't been a peep out of him in terms of criticising the club or Levy. As we've seen with AVB, Sherwood and Ramos managers can be very bitter in their comments after leaving, maybe it's a young manager thing but 'Arry handled it with far more class. I missed his interview on SSN last night but I'm sure that was handled just as well, I caught a snippet earlier in the day when Redknapp had emphasised that leaving QPR had nothing to do with the transfer window activity, or lack of. A lot of us felt he talked too much at times but it was never really negative.

With those players mentioned, did they not also come through the academy with Inglethorpe, Ramsey and other coaches? I agree he deserves credit, especially for the ones he gave first team chances too but I don't buy this "oh he'd be out on loan and nowhere near where he is now without me". For a start Pochettino has always given chances to youngsters in his short time in England, you only have to look at Mason who featured heavily from the start of preseason until his injury. Had Mason got a couple of games under Sherwood we'd probably be hearing the same about him. Also no one saw Kane's rapid improvement coming so the majority of the praise really has to go to the player first and foremost. And for players like Townsend and Walker a loan spell in the Premier League at a similar age has proven to be a catalyst in getting them up to the level where they can come back and play regularly in the first team.

When Eriksen did well Tim was there talking about how he scouted him first(in a game Eriksen didn't play in), when Dier scored he pushed the praise to Ramsey for spotting him, when Chadli started scoring Tim was there to say he always knew he'd be great for us, Kane, Mason and Bentaleb all had the same comments made about them. He's always quick to hoover up the praise for himself and his team and away from others. Even when he wrote and article about Bale he couldn't resist saying that he and the other coaches always felt he'd do better playing in the middle. "I did it first, I did it first!" that's all we get from him because it's all he's got. Regardless of people's opinions on AVB or Pochettino, they're the ones that actually made it work for those players and that's the most important thing(after the players' own hard work of course).

 

[O.Spurcat]

Please do elaborate mate

Firstly, Les Ferdinand. When he joined us at the invitation of Harry, it was on a part time arrangement. This was Les's wish as he wasn't sure if going back into the game as a coach was something he wanted to do. Despite pressure from Harry and the club to go full time, he declined to do so and it is fair to say he begrudgingly eventually did go full time with us.

For sure, he played his part in the increased profile of our youth structure, but the feelings regarding his hesitancy to commit, never really went away. Maybe he sees Loftus Road as his spiritual home and things are different. To cut him some slack, I guess that is probably the case. But he rarely worked with our first team and so another reason to feel he may be better with kids.

As for Chris Ramsey, he has every possible qualification there is. He has a reputation for being a very good coach and runs UEFA courses and it is known that he failed our previous manager, AVB, on a course. However, when he got involved with our first team alongside Sherwood, it is almost as if he froze. He couldn't put his ideas across, the players stopped listening to him and basically failed to respond to anything he tried to implement. There may be mitigating factors in his defence, but ultimately, there remains a doubt as to his capabilities of coaching at this level.

As others have said, Sherwood is more than capable of behaving like a twat, but he isn't all that bad. If he could get his full coaching qualifications, learn how to give a team a balanced shape, learn some basic manners, then he could do a decent job.