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Tim Sherwood appointed manager

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Spudulike, Dec 23, 2013.

  1. redwhiteandermblue

    redwhiteandermblue Well-Known Member

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    I will always support the team enthusiastically, in my fashion. I was in favor of Harry and AVB staying, and support Sherwood and hope for nothing but the best for him. If pressed, I 'll admit that Levy has done an above-average job overall. But one mistake (Moutinho) was cataclysmic, and has screwed the year and a half since. I sincerely hope his decisions start panning out better, and will be happy to point out when I think they do.

    However, as supportive as I plan to remain, half the fun of a site like this is being critical. I don't plan to forego this minor pleasure, any more than I plan to let it make me wish anything but the best for the team. These are Spurs, after all, and Sherwood is a semi-crazy choice, but it's not that unlikely that things go very well from here, theoretically, at least. We've got a vastly talented team and a manager who may have learned his lesson in his first game, and will commit firmly to audacity. We ought to be fun to watch and might even be successful.
     
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  2. Boss

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    Fla, you just have to accept some people always take the positive view and then view negative comments as "bashing" you get that everywhere in life so I wouldn't take it too serious!

    You have every right to speak out if you have an issue as if you remember under Avb, when he was first appointed, there where people claiming he was something special, yet this season them same fans turned on him, did that change their support for the club? Of course not, they just saw reality from naive positive views.

    Same with Sherwood at the moment, people either choose to be overly positive or overly negative but the common thing we all share, is that we want wants best for the club.

    Right now Sherwood has an easy job, improve on the man management of Avb and play better football, easiest job in football, especially for someone who already knows the players (well apart from capoue).

    As said earlier, I'm personally going to judge Sherwood on what he does for us, there is no previous for me or any coaching to judge him by and once the honeymoon period is over then you will see if Sherwood is capable, only then can you start to judge Sherwood, and if hes the right man.
     
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  3. redwhiteandermblue

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    The big issue is a squad where by my count, some 19 players have decent- ish expectations to start. Harry's approach was to coddle a best eleven and not worry too much about everyone else. Harry junior, I mean Sherwood, has to come up with a different plan, and hasn't made it any easier by getting knocked out of a cup.
     
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  4. Boss

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    Rose was talking to the press, nice interview about the changes made (and praising Sherwood & Redknapp for talking to him when younger), and it does appear Sherwood has taken on alot of what Redknapp had about him, as Sherwood and Ferdinand where both brought to the club by Redknapp and you can see they all share a certain type of mentality.

    For me too much is made of trying to keep everyone happy, having a big squad doesn't mean the manager has to keep everyone happy as its not realistic, and Avb was too focused on the squad game. If Sherwood decides on his best 11 and gets them performing above their expected potential and has enough back-up to step in, then he will be doing his job, even if players become unhappy. Our squad is far too big in terms of having two players for every position.

    Dortmund, a club we should really look to, have a small squad yet they completed the domestic double recently and they relied on a set 11 and had a few players away from the starting 11 to step in. Barca under Pep never had a big squad, they never had replacements for certain players. Yes it requires a certain amount of luck but Sherwood may have to sell players as then it gets rid of the problem where players try and be disruptive because they aren't in the managers plans.
     
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  5. redwhiteandermblue

    redwhiteandermblue Well-Known Member

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    Let's hope he makes a good choice about what to do. I can't pretend I have the slightest clue what he should be doing.
     
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  6. Spurf

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    That Boss is twisting reality to suit your case. The reality I am talking of is that most posters on here did not go head over heels one way or another when managers changed. The most vociferous are those who thnk we should have kept Redknapp. I can't think of one poster who claimed AVB was THE MAN, most I remember saying much as now about Sherwood let's give him a chance.
     
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  7. Boss

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    I wasn't twisting at all, Avb was over praised, I wasn't naming any names or trying to point the finger! Sherwood deserves a chance and he will get that chance, but if someone wants to attack him (or levy) for reasons they are already angry by, then that doesn't effect the chance Sherwood is being given and nor does it mean such fan isn't going to offer their support for the team.
     
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  8. Spurf

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    No, but this a forum therefore you have to expect a response. It's not about the support for the team that should not be a question of anyone who has taken the time and interest to express their views on here. As you say all is open for attack or of course the opposite. It's what makes this forum so good. <ok>
     
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  9. deedub93

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    How about the fourth way HAIG, Sherwood proves to be so good at Spurs that he is a 'shoe in' for the England job after Woy ****s up in the WC. This is the point where Levy realises that he forgot to put a buyout clause in Sherwood's contract and we have a repeat of the Harry for England fiasco.
     
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  10. mothman

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    I quite like what's been done. I said when AVB went that some continuity with our big squad was needed and Ferdinand could do a job short term. Think that Sherwood should have had a game or two more as a trial period. As yes, play has improved, but the West Ham loss is pretty dire and Southampton could have gone the other way. However it is a brave yet obvious decision and I hope for the best, I still haven't any idea where we'll end up this season, but it will be interesting.
     
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  11. Spudulike

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    I think we can all agree to disagree but one thing that unites us all is that we for the most part, keep our comments amicable and decent. I think that's what makes us Spurs fans unique in a positive light. Some of the language and abuse I see on other boards (not naming any clubs to avoid an onslaught of insults) is pretty unreal. On here, at least we can all have a decent debate without resorting to downright nastiness. So whichever camp we are all presently in regarding management, the board, the team/squad etc, at least we can all agree that we are a united group when it comes to supporting Tottenham Hotspur. That for me is the Spurs way and what makes our club so great to support <ok>
     
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  12. Spurf

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    Spot on Fla, happy xmas mate <ok>
     
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  13. <applause>.
     
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  14. To be fair, that's kinda my third option but mixed with a doom-and-gloom scenario.

    Then again, we are Spurs, so... yeah, that could happen!
     
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    He wasn't focused on it enough, in my opinion. He should've made less changes from game to game in the league, but more in the cups.
    Rose got injured in a nothing game and he kept picking other important players for ties where they weren't needed.
    The reverse was true of league fixtures, where he seemed to make multiple changes every time, though he didn't have a lot of choice but to do so in some areas, unfortunately.

    Dortmund and Barca can get away with it to some extent because they've both got good youth systems, while ours is still a work in progress.
    Some of our signings do seem to have been a little unnecessary when we've got players like Carroll, Livermore, Pritchard and others out on loan, though.
    Barca also benefit from having a set way of playing all the way through the club and the fact that nobody's allowed to tackle them on pain of death.
     
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    Well I did say we signed too many players and our youth players shouldn't be overlooked yet unfortunately at the time it's not a view many shared as it's easier to have excitement over new arrivals.

    Now it's easier to start talking up youth players as Sherwood is going to use his knowledge of players and include them within the team.

    Dortmund are a club I follow and they run their club to maximise their resources so yes they have a good youth system so following their model would be a wise move.

    Anyway, Sherwood will soon have to balance the squad out if youth players progress as currently we have too many for various positions and central midfield is likely to be his first area to target.
     
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  17. Boss

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    And Pnp, just looking back now at AVB's cup teams, I know he was desperate to win a trophy, this was probably why he was reculant to change the cup teams as he wanted to create a momentum of winning games, especially as opposition was easier.

    In the league he probably knew we couldn't win the title and believed top four and a cup win in Europe was most realistic.

    Not that I agree with his constant line up changes in the league but he obviously had a plan, just it never worked!
     
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  18. notsosmartspur

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    I'd cut him slack for the Spam cup loss as disappointing as it was, lobbed straight in with little prep time after avb's departure, he had to use Capoue as CB, Daws was suspended, so without a regular CB pair and Rose only just back it always had the possibility to be a banana skin. Its no good saying it was only W.Ham, it was a cup game, 11 v 11.
     
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  19. Blue and White

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    Flaspur- correct , you have not bashed the team just Levy-which is what I said in my post.
    I fully accept that you support the team but I felt that some of your comments crossed the line between opinion and ugly protest. Of course we are entitled to our opinions and to air them but my opinion is we should keep our protests mild. I for one refuse to boo my team whereas others do it.
    I just felt some of your comments against Levy were OTT. Sorry if I offended you.
     
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