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  1. Craigo

    Craigo Well-Known Member

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    <cheers> Cheers BL. I can use these, but it is an indictment of how little is available on the net for our supporters when neither of us can find a portrait pic of one of our most famous sons from only the recent past.
    Come on folks! I know I'm being an irritating git, but please start posting some of that stuff your hoarding and remember that if it aint worth sharing it aint worth having. - Rant over
     
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  2. C'mon ref

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    I'm sure I've posted these items already but just in case here they are again, but don't forget pictures were not so easily available back in Boothferry days, no digi stuff then. But I have programs, which to be honest are not all that interesting and an autograph book too big to scan, but from the 1960's. I can pass on memories of going to Jock Davidson's mother in laws and having a cuppa, sometimes Jock would be there, great bloke. Or of Charlie Crickmore and his large suitcase full of programs I could only drool at, big collector in those days I was, he lived down Havelock St on Hessle Road if I remember right.

    I traveled to many away games at the time, a few memorable, a couple were nightmares. Ipswich, Portman Road, a guy called Ray Crawford, aged about 99 at the time, well not really but past his best, way past, also a former England player, but he was center forward. He killed us, we couldn't cope with this old guy, he scored a hat trick and having been on the road since 11pm the night before not only was I weary I was livid at our ineptness in defense against this old warhorse, he was magnificent.

    Fast forward and another old warhorse, same scenario, different location Molineux, home of Wolverhampton Wanderers and one, Derek Dougan. An immense guy, full of power and cunning and another hat trick against us, the only thing in our favour was the same coloured shirts, keep your mouth shut and no one would know where you were from, until we went in the pub on the night, but that is another story.

    And the pluses? All the away games regardless of the score but Birmingham stood out, St Andrews, they gave us club badges, diaries, and generally made us feel welcome, for my 5 minutes of fame I had a taste of what a celebrity must be like LOL. Another? Yes Cardiff and Waggy (Ken) scoring all 4 goals which included a new boy for Cardiff, one John Toshack. And biggest co*k up? Barcelona and Camp Nou. My family and I had visited Barcelona and I wanted to see the ground so we made our way to Camp Nou and walking around the perimeter there was a door open.

    So I walked through, along with my wife and 2 children, it happened to be the Barcelona training pitches and a certain Terry Venables was there. We walked towards him and to his credit asked us what we were doing, in Spanish. I said we were English and were going to have a look around, again he was great, taking us too the trophy room and the all day cinema, then the directors box. The co*k up? My wife had a camera in her bag and I didn't know, so no pics of El Tel but there is one of my in the directors box, but hey this isn't the Tigers, I wish LOL.

    Anyway me at Nou Camp, (remember this is the 80's)

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    My wife and family at Nou Camp

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  3. Craigo

    Craigo Well-Known Member

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    Good stories as usual C'r especially the Nou Camp one. Terry Venables seems like a real gent, but a good story is still no excuse to post a picture of those legs <laugh>
    There's something about away matches isn't there that makes the whole day more exciting. I thing the travelling gives the game more of a build-up and there is more of a feeling of camaraderie when you know you're in 'enemy territory'.
    I remember going to Grimsby during their promotion season in the 80s and the atmosphere was volatile. We scraped a 1-1 and at the end they wouldn't let us out until the home crowd had left. Then we had to walk the gauntlet (with a police escort) between a long line of Grimsby fans baying at us all the way back to the coach. How fortunes have changed eh.
     
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    Probably a bit of a naughty one this, but reading about Cmon ref going through an open door at Barca, reminded me of time when me and a mate used to get into away games free in the late 80's.
    Mate was a pretty good player, playing to a decent standard locally, so as a result he knew quite a few of the juniors/reserves that were local lads on Citys books at the time. And over a period of time picked up or was given odd bits of kit, tracky tops etc.This was at the time that the Casuals look was starting up.
    He was also the first one of us to get a car and because we were in effectively in Division 3 / 4 North at the time, we went to quite a few away games.
    Anyway, we turned up at Brentford of all places, last game of the season when we went up. We parked up and walked to the ground intending to go to one of the pubs for a drink. City turned up just at the same time and matey merely acknowledged one of the local players (he'd been a builder). We were dressed in casuals, trainers trackys etc and as mate chatted the chappy on the 'Players Entrance' gate shouted to us along the lines of hurry up I've got to shut it soon. To which we said we're not players. To this day we can only assume that gateman mis heard us and thought we said we are not playing. We think the latter because he said those not involved usually just wander around inside the ground, get a drink and read a programme. So we were in !! Free :) Got a drink (we paid for it naturally) and then just lolled about for a while, bricking it incase someone cottoned on to what had happened. Anyway, the seed was planted and the next season we thought we'd try again and got in to Leeds and Bradford and a few others doing pretty much the same thing each time. Laid off doing it in the winter and tried again towards the end of the season and it continued to work. We stopped partly because we thought our luck would run out soon, and partly due to some of the local lads being let go. Plus the ravages of beer does start to make you look less like a young reserve footballer going along for 1st team experience and more like a p155 artist trying to get into the ground for free.
     
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    Was the mother in law called Mrs C***ey (asterisks to hide the name). That was my very loose connection to Jock.
     
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    Yes I think you are right Arnold, the house wasn't far off Boothferry Park, and I lived down Hawthorn Avenue in those days. I Like the story of being mistaken for players, a different tact to that was when I use to turn up to collect autographs, still a lad, and use to wait around the North Road players entrance. I did spend an awful lot of time around Boothferry Park and Jimmy Lodge, the physio in those days, use to let me in the ground so I could watch the players run round and round the running track at the edge of the pitch.

    Cliff Britton use to acknowledge me as I use to turn up at the Anlaby Road cricket circle as well where City use to train sometimes, not being allowed on the sacred Boothferry pitch so lovingly looked after by Stan Coombes. When I was old enough I joined the social club that use to be on the front of Boothferry Park and after a match a variety of players use to appear for a drink. But all that stopped with the appointment of Terry Neil as manager, never saw any players for an after match pint and a chat after he arrived.

    I remember the first time I saw him at Boothferry Park, he drove a silver E-Type Jaguar, don't know if it was his nor not, but an impressive entrance all the same. A former captain of Arsenal and an Irish international, quite a pedigree, which in retrospect looked like his managerial appointment at City was just a stepping stone to his eventual appointment as manager at Highbury.
     
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    Craigo Well-Known Member

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    Earliest memory
    mine is from having my dentist sharing the same car park but football wise the one i can remember is sadly the game where D Lloyd tried to close the club think it was a 2-0 loss to Cardiff By DorsetTiger

    Mine is in the old Division 3 North in 1958, when my grandfather took be to BP for the first time. I think we played either Accrington Stanley or Rochdale. I am probably wrong with the opponents but it was deffo that season. I ve been hooked ever since! By tigers40

    ^^^^^^
    Same year I started but against Chester we won 3-0. By John Aberdeen

    FA Cup 3rd rd v Leyton Orient 1963, then a First Division Team. It was a replay after drawing 1-1. Lost 2-0, why do i always remember a Malcolm Musgrove playing for them.
    The Winter of 63 was very cold,Humber froze at some time. By Melbournetiger

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    Ref Melbournes post about the 1963 Leyton Orient Cup Game
    I think that was the game that was postponed about 20 odd times because of the big freeze. In fact Im may be wrong but it may well be the game that holds the record number of postponementsd in the FA cup. By tigers40

    Aged about 4 in the early 80s. Sat in the South Stand I remember being taken in by just how big and green the pitch was, the clack of the wooden seats and the amount of people smoking near me. All of these memories have stuck with me more than the actual game - in fact the other thing I remember is there was a fat excitable woman sat in front of me and every time anything exciting happened she jumped up and I saw **** all. Been hooked ever since. By Jimmy Graham’s bald head



    Friendly game 1970's - Hull vs Millwall
    Right I'll try and to get this right, any actual real knowledge about this game would be welcomed!

    My old man is from Kent and supports Millwall (loosely), we moved to Hull when I was 3' when I was about, hmmm thinking cap on! 8-10 years old he took me to Boothferry park (sat in the family stand) we played Millwall in a friendly, they were in a league above us. We beat them (I think!) 2-0 or 2-1, he wanted me to cheer on Millwall... ...but I didn't! Obviously! I used to badger him to take me to games after that

    If I had to guess the year it would be 1978 if that helps.

    Would love to know when is exactly that was and any details/report on it. By londontiger

    This wasn't my first game, but is my first strong memory of a game - Billy Bremner's debut against Forest in 1976, the place was buzzing. By originallambrettaman

    driving down the A1 in my brothers old beetle(I was a learner)--we were going to watch them v the POSH---can't remember the score-was late 60's/early 70's By islandtiger

    FA Cup Round 6 vs stoke - Waggy scored twice, but we lost 2-3 - 1971 By tigerrev

    my dad took me to my first home match in 1965 against swindon city won 1-0,first away match was stoke in or around 1970 we got beat 4-1 deep joy. By waggyssecretson

    My first Match was in the late 60's and I can't for the life of me remember who it was against and all I remember was I was plonked in the car and taken to the pub car park in Preston Nr Hull, Cock & Bell with a bottle of pop and a bag of crisps as company and I thought well I like this footy lark but two hours later and bored to tears a load of hairy arsed blokes with my Dad got in the car rubbed my head till it nearly came of and squashed the bloody life out of me. We won 2-0 I think and the one other thing I remember was when we got there One of the blokes carried a box into Boothferry Park I was taken down to the front and told to stand on the box and don't move .... Oh and I remember the names Chillo and Waggy being mentioned a lot. Hooked Oh Yes !!! Sorry for boring ya By Cambridgetiger

    1962 FA Cup v Crook Town. I went with my Dad and stood in the East Stand on a wooden "platform" that we took along - no trouble with the Stewards in those days! (Did they have Stewards?). City won 5-4 after being something like 4-1 down in the second half and it's been that sort of a rollercoaster ride supporting the Tigers ever since! By Irememberwaggy

    1989 vs West Ham 1-1. Whitehurst equalized for City, Bucket passed round to collect for Hillsborough
    My dad's first game was 1949, he can't remember who it was against but he caught the train in from Driffield. By tigercity

    City 4 Mansfield 0 1965 , my dad took me at long last as I'd been nagging him for a couple of years By scarborough tiger

    League cup 1995 v Coventry. The ground was empty unfortunately, not a good atmosphere and we lost. My dad said to get used to that result, if i was to watch them every week.
    Still got over the disappointement and carried on watching us when my dad took me back to BP when i was a little older. By Golaccio

    ^^^^
    Was that the game where we had a strikeforce of Paul Fewings and Gav Gordon? Combined age of 33! By Jimmy Graham’s bald head

    First game at Boothferry for me was in the 80's v Blackpool I think.
    Finished 3-1 sure Marwood scored and I think Mike Ring got one.
    Just remember going through the turnstiles and thinking how big the floodlight were, I was **** scared walking underneath thought it might collapse on me!!
    Must have been about 6 then. By Geo’s Ice Cream Van

    Reference Crook Town game:
    I was at that game and it was my birthday. We went 1-0 up and then 3-1 down by half time. Crook scored just after half time to make it 4-1. McSeveney went on the rampage on the left wing and fed Chillo. We pulled it back to 5-4 and then had another goal disallowed. By tigers40

    my first game was in '65. I just remember being amazed by all those people in the same place at the same time and the noise. By Oregon Tiger

    My earliest proper memory was the play off final against Leyton Orient in 2001. I can still remember John Eyre scoring in front of the south stand and then spending the next few days dreaming of a trip to the Millenium stadium but alas it wasn't to be. Also remember going to a few games earlier on in that season, think we beat Darlington 1-0 in early November and we lost 2-0 to Cheltenham in what I can vaguely remember as being an awful performance from us. By Manuel

    I am pretty sure my first game was against Ipswich, I remember it being a draw so I am going for New Years Eve 1988, 1-1. Though maybe it was the 1-0 victory the year before. I cannot say for certain.
    I remember it taking a while for me to stop shouting for a penalty every time there was a foul (I had previously been taken to the egg-chasing) no matter where the offence had taken place.
    Andy Payton and his mullet soon became my hero.
    I assume I was taken to the football because I had started to take an interest in supporting Liverpool...a quick rescue situation was required by my mother. By jamesthemonkeh

    I cant remember who we played or even what score it was of my first memory of Boothferry Park. What is still as fresh in my mind is that I was about 11 or 12 There use to be a gang of kids that used to go to City and they always seemed to have a laugh and talk about Waggy an Chillo, and how they look for away fans to do in haha, looking back now if they did find any away supporters they would of **** thereselves it was all playground talk, but I wanted to be part of this gang.
    I wanted to be "hard" like them, so the next home game off we went I remember that we got one of the kids elder brother to get us a bottle of woodpecker from Spotty Dog Offy and remember us getting some cans of Topscore from some where, also the game was going to be on Telly on Sunday afternoon. Getting close to BP with my ben sherman on brown star jumper and lime green socks, cherry red loafers and Prince o wales checks.
    The first thing was the chanting, It sounded like a gang of warriors I,d heard on Television, I was **** scared with anticipation, the other kids knew their way about and they knew crack, I didnt and I was frightened to death that I,d get split up from them, I didnt. Then I entered South stand. OMG look at the size of that pitch, it was massive and I always remember the smell of it earthy, grassy. We took our place right at the front behind the goal so that there maybe a chance that we get on the Telly on Sunday afternoon, all the time aware of the chanting and singing the noise seem to reverberate through my body then as I felt safe in my new experience it was time to learn the songs they were singing so I could join in and become one of them.
    The game started and ended, we got the bus home singing all the City songs I,d learned at the back of the bus with the "lads" I couldnt wait to get to school on Mon, to be in the playground to be part of that gang and share my football staories. We even got on Telly. Priceless By guitartrax

    my first game was in 1954 when my dad took me to watch wilf mannion cant remember opponents he only played a few games for us before being banned from professional football because of some newspaper articles he was alleged to have written By mazzer
     
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    Craigo Well-Known Member

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    Best City goal ever
    I rated Giovanni's Emirate's cracker the best City goal I've seen until I came across this John Hawley beauty from 74/75. Now I'm not so sure:
    [video=youtube;QWAr1Nyh16s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QWAr1Nyh16s [/video]
    By Craig in Nottingham

    Elliott's goal on the turn from near the halfway line(can't remember who it was against) &#8211;Edit; Brentford (said TigerBoy) By originallambrettaman

    [video=youtube;iUo4va_Ua6E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUo4va_Ua6E&feature=player_embedded [/video]
    no contest
    If rooney had scored that people wouldnt shut up about it, a bit like me and this goal
    deano 2nd
    delaney v rochdale wasnt bad either... Edit; below:
    [video=youtube;C8wofeqdwzY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8wofeqdwzY&feature=player_embedded [/video]
    By DJBlackandamberarmy
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    Haha, as soon as this thread went up I thought of you DJ and that goal. By FLG

    I seem to remember Whitmore scoring a good goal against Derby in (i think) pre-season one year . By Reggae boy

    ashbee scored a corker away at Torquay By Fettis the striker
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    I preferred Ashbee's goal v Yeovil. Oh, and Burgess' goal v Kiddy(h) in the same season is worth a shout. By TigerBoy

    KEITH EDWARDS.....cant remember who it was against but he took the ball from one end to the other beating half the oppositions team on his own before scoring.. By scarborough tiger
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    think it was walsall on a tueday night 1978 september By pock tiger 64
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    Yeah, funnily enough I was thinking same one. Sure he scored a hat trick in a 4 1 win that night? All three were cracking goals. By askewhair

    I remember Andy Dawson scoring a cracker against Kidderminster but cant find it on YouTube. Will probably be on some compilation of goals somewhere on there. By 4tiger

    Truth is it would have been the most important City goal if it had gone in off his ar5e, but Dean an Fraizer really spoiled us:
    [video=youtube;dBM8xaX4SqI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBM8xaX4SqI&feature=player_embedded [/video]
    By Craig in Nottingham

    I mentioned Ken Houghton's goal against Leicester in 1970 on the history thread. From memory I thought City won 4-1. I was wrong the score was 3-0. However here is the goal to see for yourselves.
    [video=youtube;4jcT_-9WSgA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4jcT_-9WSgA [/video]
    By tiger d

    Geo's freekick against Spurs has to be up there with all thats been mentioned. By Geo&#8217;s Ice Cream Van
    I can't find the video anywhewre, but have seen it on-line, so it's definately out there.
    Windass away at Wycombe in the 1995/96 season. Basically the keeper kicked it out, and Windass on the turn volleyed it in from 40-odd yards. Simply marvellous.
    Personally though, I would always vote for Ash at Yeovil By Ealing_Tiger

    For pue technique I thought Bostock's against Swansea was amazing. There are plenty of long-range goals in the top corner but this was almost touching the bar and post at the same time, couldn't have been more accurate. Add to that the gorgeous turn he did immediately before it and the fact the whole thing was only two touches. Beautiful. By I saw the premier tigers

    Colin alcide and Antonio doncel both scored screamers in the 90s. By Jimmy Graham&#8217;s bald head
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    think i remember the alcide one, against maclesfield from the corner of the box into the far top corner... By DJBlackandamberarmy

    Jon parkin volley against sheff wed was a screamer, he got a lot of stick but I loved that guy, BEAST By Ajbtiger

    Edwards v Walsall yup that's the one cheers for that .. Waggys two against Gordon Banks ( Stoke city ) not spectacular goals but never to be forgotten ... By scarborough tiger
     
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    The goals which Stuart Pearson scored (with a confidence that you rarely see) always impressed me but I cannot remember any individual ones in detail now.

    Thinking back though the goal that stayed with me for a long time (and I can still picture it) was by Chris Simpkin. He didn&#8217;t score many, even though he played a massive number of games for City. He was a strong player, a good passer (and a hard man) and could hit a ball with scary power. We got to the 6th Round of the FA Cup in 1965/66 and also won the 3rd Division title. At Stamford Bridge City drew with Chelsea (don&#8217;t know the score) and I went to the replay at BP. Simpkin&#8217;s goal was a 25 yard cannon ball strike giving the keeper no chance. The reason I remember this goal was because I had never seen a football hit so hard and, even though it was a big noisy crowd, the sound of it came clear through the air. City lost that replay, but we went on to win the Third Division title.

    He was part of that famous Cliff Britton team, the names of which are usually mentioned before his, Wagstaff, Chilton, the Butlers, etc., but he was a key part of how they played, and nobody messed with him.

    Chris got himself into a bit of trouble a few years ago and had a spell in jail as a result, but he was a loyal Tiger and although played for other clubs after Hull City he never wanted to leave the Tigers.
     
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    Going back a while we use to get our football coverage courtesy of Anglia Television, due the the transmitter situation at the time I think, then we switched to Yorkshire TV. I always felt the the Anglia coverage was far superior to the Yorkshire version as they also had Leeds, Sheffield, Huddesfield et al to cover as well, where as Anglia had Ipswich, Norwich and Northampton. Unless I'm mistaken we were also on TV more from Anglia, Yorkshire TV coverage concentrating on derby matches more than anything, and Leeds were a Div 1 team at the time.
     
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    Good stories as usual C'r especially the Nou Camp one. Terry Venables seems like a real gent, but a good story is still no excuse to post a picture of those legs <laugh>

    Never mind the legs its the amount of hair I had, long gone now :afro: and believe it or not, in warmer weather I still wear shorts like that, dazzling eh? :emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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    Craigo Well-Known Member

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    Thanks PT64 the programme (below) being auctioned on e-bay is the oldest I've seen.
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    Also to those interested in our early statistics these are as early as you can get!

    The (wobbly) table below shows the first games played by Hull City in 1904 before beginning their first league season 1905 to 1906.

    Mon Aug 29_______Friendly_________District XI_________Home_____Won____5-0
    Thu Sep 1_________Friendly________Notts County_______Home_____Drew____2-2
    Sat Sep 10_________Friendly_________Everton 'A' _______Home_____Won____2-0
    Sat_Sep_17______FAC_Prelim__________Stockton_________Away*____Drew____3-3

    Mon Sep 19_______Friendly________Leicester Fosse______Home_____Won____2-0
    Thu Sep 22______FAC replay__________Stockton_________Away_____Lost_____1-4
    Sat Sep 24________Friendly__________Darlington________Home_____Won_____5-1
    Thu Sep 29________Friendly_______Crewe Alexandra______Home____Drew_____1-1
    Sat Oct 1_________ Friendly___________Denton__________Away_____Won_____2-1
    Sat Oct 8_________Friendly__________Sheffield FC _______Home_____Won_____4-1
    Wed Oct 12_______Friendly____Middlesbrough Reserves___Home_____Drew____2-2
    Thu Oct 13________Friendly_________Derby County_______Home_____Won____3-2
    Sat Oct 15_________Friendly__________Leeds City_________Away_____Won____2-0
    Thu Oct 20________Friendly__________Lincoln City________Home_____Won____1-0
    Sat Oct 22_________Friendly_______West Hartlepool_______Away_____Won____3-1
    Sat Oct 29_________Friendly__________Stockton__________Home_____Drew____2-2
    Thu Nov 3_________Friendly________Burton United________Home_____won____3-1
    Sat Nov 12_________Friendly_________Bradford City_______Home_____Lost_____0-2
    Thu Nov 17_________Friendly__________Port Vale_________Home_____Lost_____1-2
    Sat Nov 26_________ Friendly_______ Grimsby Town _______Home _____Won ___4-2
    Sat Dec 10__________Friendly _________Glossop __________Home _____Won ___2-1
    Sat Dec 24__________Friendly_________Leeds City _________Home_____Won____3-2
    Tue Dec 27__________Friendly______Preston North End_____Away______Lost____2-3
    Sat Dec 31__________Friendly____Middlesbrough Reserves___Away______Lost____2-3
    Tue Jan 3___________Friendly________Darlington___________Away_____Drew___3-3
    Sat Jan 7____________Friendly________Scarborough_________Away_____Won____1-0
    Sat Jan 14___________Friendly________Wellingborough_____Home______Won____3-2
    Sat Jan 28___________Friendly________Chesterfield_________Home_____Lost_____1-2
    Thu Feb 2___________Friendly_______Doncaster Rovers______Home_____Won____3-0
    Sat Feb 4____________Friendly___Manchester City Reserves___Away______Lost____0-1
    Sat Feb 11___________Friendly_Gainsborough Trinity Reserves__Away______Lost___1-2
    Sat Feb 18___________Friendly___________Liverpool________Home_______Lost___2-6
    Thu Feb 23__________Friendly_______Army Service Corps____Home_______Won___5-1
    Sat Feb 25___________Friendly__________Sheffield FC_______Away_______Won____3-1
    Sat Mar 4____________Friendly__________Leeds City________Away_______Won____5-2
    Sat Mar 18___________Friendly_________Scarborough_______Home______Won____6-0
    Thu Mar 23__________Friendly_____Prince of Wales Hussars___Home______Won____1-0
    Sat Mar 25___________Friendly________Manchester City______Home_____Drew____0-0
    Sat Apr 1____________Friendly______Coldstream Guards______Home______Won___10-3
    Wed Apr 5___________Friendly_________York Garrison________Away______Won____7-1
    Sat Apr 8____________Friendly____________Barnsley_________Home______Won____2-1
    Sat Apr 15___________Friendly_________Sheffield United______Home______Won____3-1
    Fri Apr 21____________Friendly__________Grimsby Town______Away_______Lost____1-2
    Sat Apr 22___________Friendly__________Boston Town________Away______Won____4-2
    Mon Apr 24__________Friendly_______Preston North End______Home______Drew____2-2
    Thu Apr 27___________Friendly_________East Riding XI________Home______Drew____2-2
    Sat Apr 29____________Friendly______Gainsborough Trinity_____Home______Lost_____2-3

    * Hull were drawn at home in the Preliminary Round FA Cup tie with Stockton but gave up ground advantage. They shared the Boulevard ground with the local Rugby League club who required the ground on the day scheduled for the FA Cup tie.
    http://www.footballsite.co.uk/Statistics/NonLeagueTables/SeasonResultsetc/1904-05HullCity.html
     
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    Craigo Well-Known Member

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    <ok><ok> I imagine most of us are glad there isn't a webcam facility on here.
     
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    Great thread this, hope people keep posting their memories whatever they are!
     
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    "The Human Octopus".This was something my Dad used to say a lot when we had a kick about "jumpers for goal posts style" especially when I was in goal. Never knew who he referred to, but I think I've found him now!

    An extract from a Wiki page below:-

    Conal Nicholson "Nick" Hendry (1887 &#8211; 9 April 1949) was an English footballer who played as a goalkeeper.
    Hendry started his career with North Eastern Railway United, with whom he won the York and District League with in the 1905&#8211;06 season.
    He joined Middlesbrough as an amateur in 1907, but failed to make any appearances in the league for the team. He then moved to Darlington in 1908, where he played until joining Hull City in March 1910.[1] Here, he became one of the first York-born footballers to play in the Football League and was dubbed "the human octopus" because of his displays for the club.
    He made 140 league appearances for Hull, 98 of which were consecutive. He made 271 appearances in first-team and war football for Hull, leaving the club in 1920, after which he spent a season with Doncaster Rovers. He joined York City in July 1922 for their first season in the Midland League and advised the club on team selection. He left the club in 1924 after making 56 appearances in the Midland League for York and later became a trainer at LNER Permanent Way.
     
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    I think Terry Neill got that E-Type as part of his contract. My old fella took me down to Hull Uni one time just after TN had signed for us. My old man always used to call him E for B (Eggs for Breakfast) because at the time there was a big thing about getting people to eat eggs ... remember the slogan Go To Work On An Egg. TN said he liked them and E for B is how he was known in our house. Anyway The club was asking for some form of supporter sponsorship (I think Bob A Goal, but maybe it wasn't) and we pitched up at the inside gym on Inglemire Lane where all the players and TN were. Gave him the money and my name, watched a bit of the 5 a side thenleft for home via Lord Nelson for the old man. I'm sure there was a list of sponsors in the next programme with a little message to say that the father and son (us two) who came down to see us we've forgotten your name but get in touch. Old fella duly obliged and we were invited back to training at Uni again. They gave me a black and amber bar scarf (still got it) which felt like it had been knitted out of barbed wire. Also got a black and amber rosette. And that was pretty much the start of nearly 50 years of supporting City. Never waivered either.
     
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    Craigo Well-Known Member

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    Found this interesting on Major Frank Buckley who was our manager from 1946-48 and layed the ground for the successful Carter era.
    There's nothing much about City, but it's clear he was a very forward thinking and disiplinarian manager who probably deserves more recognition as an important person in our history:

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    Franklin Charles Buckley (more commonly known as Major Frank Buckley) (3 October 1882 &#8211; 21 December 1964) was an English football player and, later, manager. He is the brother of Chris Buckley who played for Aston Villa.

    Full name Franklin Charles Buckley Date of birth 9 November 1882 Place of birth Urmston, England Date of death 21 December 1964 (aged 82) Place of death Walsall,
    Height 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m)
    Playing position Defender
    1946&#8211;1948 Managed Hull City
    Early Life
    Buckley was born in Urmston, Manchester. He joined the army and bought himself out in 1902 to join a football club.
    Playing career
    He went from Aston Villa to Brighton to Manchester United and Manchester City all within six years and found something approaching stability only with Birmingham City, where he made 56 appearances. Soon after that he was on the move again, this time to Derby County. It was with the Rams that he gained his sole England cap, in 1914 in a shock 3-0 defeat by Ireland at Ayresome Park, before upping sticks, again, to join Bradford City; his stay in Yorkshire shortened by the start of World War I.
    Introduction to management
    Buckley went to war with the 17th Middlesex Regiment (where he commanded the Football Battalion) seeing action and receiving wounds to his lung and shoulder in the Battle of the Somme and rose to the rank of Major. On his return, he was appointed manager of Norwich City. The Canaries had been so debt-ridden that the receivers had wound the club up, but following an extraordinary general meeting, the club was resurrected and Buckley was placed in charge in February 1919 and returned the club to Southern League football. Despite retiring from playing during the war, Buckley played one game for Norwich in September 1919, when he was the club's secretary-manager.
    Once again Buckley&#8217;s stay was short. By July 1920 he was gone, financial disputes precipitating a wholesale change of personnel.
    Managerial ideas
    Prior to Buckley it was not unusual for clubs to create sides through purchases. Preston North End and Derby County of the 1880s and 1890s are good examples of teams that had gathered together players, en masse, from elsewhere; the famous Sunderland side of the 1890s is another; Middlesbrough's controversial transfer policy of 1905 another. However, such a policy, of creating success through expenditure, will only be successful if there is success and money is generated as a result. Certain questions are always of importance: How do you best sustain income? How do you generate local interest in the club? How do you create a style of play synonymous with the club?
    Character
    Buckley comes across, in retrospect, as a character far removed from the unbending disciplinarian that he wished to portray himself as. The truth is, possibly, closer to him being a wily manipulator of whatever resources were available. Accordingly, his aims, which arose because of simple economics, boiled down to key principles. First he introduced youth programmes at the clubs where he worked and created club sides without bankrupting the directors by combining young 'home-grown' talent with experienced professionals. Second, he went into the transfer market with his eyes wide open. He bought players cheaply and sold others cleverly. Third, he insisted on using a scouting network throughout England and Wales, which is where a scout of Buckley's found John Charles. Fourth, he kept the press intrigued with rumour and innocent half-truths and, accordingly, kept the paying public interested and expectant in his clubs.
    Influence
    As a result Buckley's influence on the rise of the Blackpool and Wolves sides of the 1950s, of the Leeds United 'club culture' of the 1960s and 1970s should never be understated. His principles may not have been adopted directly by Busby, Shankly, Clough and Ferguson but they were innovative principles that are quite commonplace now. Buckley's financial acumen may well have come from his stint as a travelling salesman in the early 1920s, but he returned to football management with Blackpool on 6 October 1923, and it was there that Buckley&#8217;s ideas started to come to the fore. He was lured to Bloomfield Road with the promise of an extremely high salary and enough money to strengthen the squad. Buckley is credited with implementing a youth system and scouting scheme to the Seasiders.
    Despite a total change of tactics, Buckley did not have much more success with Blackpool than his predecessor, Bill Norman. During the 1924&#8211;25 season, he sold established players such as Herbert Jones and Harry Bedford, which proved unpopular amongst the fans. He did, however, sign Jimmy Hampson, who went on to become the club's all-time leading goalscorer, with 252 goals.

    In July 1927, Buckley took up an appointment with Wolverhampton Wanderers. Stan Cullis wrote of him: "I soon realised that Major Buckley was one out of the top drawer. He did not suffer fools gladly. His style of management in football was very similar to his attitude in the army. Major Buckley implanted into my mind the direct method of playing which did away with close interpassing and square-ball play. If you didn't like his style you'd very soon be on your bicycle to another club. He didn't like defenders over-elaborating in their defensive positions. Major Buckley also knew how to deal with the press." (Cullis, quoted in Taylor and Ward, 1995, pp. 31&#8211;2)
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    Wolverhampton Wanderers
    Buckley's stay at Wolves can be taken two ways. On the face of it, he appeared to achieve only modest success with the club; they won the Division Two title in 1931&#8211;32 and finished runners-up in the Division One in 1937&#8211;38 and in both the First Division and the FA Cup the following season. An alternative view is that during his stay at Molineux, Buckley once made the club a £100,000 profit within one year, purely on transfer deals; he toyed, provocatively, with the media (instigating the empty rumour that his players were using a monkey gland treatment to aid performance), he used psychologists to instill confidence in his players and was responsible for bringing through Stan Cullis and offering Billy Wright a start in professional football. After he had left the club, however, the full value of his vision, not least the Wolves youth programme, came to fruition and did so much to shape the Wolves side of the 1950s, when they won three Division One championships, twice won the FA Cup, and were one of few genuine challengers to the Busby Babes.
    Buckley left Wolves, somewhat surprisingly, in 1944 and another non-committal couple of years followed at Notts County (for a then-unheard-of £4,000 a year) and Hull City before starting work at Leeds United, where one of his first discoveries was John Charles just after Christmas 1948. He was not afraid to try all manner of ideas to induce the Elland Road club out of mediocrity: dancing songs broadcast through the public address system during training days, so-called 'shooting' boxes (a contraption designed to send the ball out at different speeds and angles to players), increasing admission costs, youth development programmes. John Charles did excel during the 1954&#8211;55 season but the team failed to respond in kind.
    Legacy
    Buckley, a stern disciplinarian throughout his career, earned devotion and affection, not least because he was also a 'tracksuit' manager. He brought in Jack Charlton, who had this to say about him:
    "Unlike the pros, we got just two weeks' holidays in the summer, and while they were away our job was to remove the weeds from the pitch and replace them with grass seed. I remember being sat out there one day with Keith Ripley, another ground staff boy, when Major Buckley came over to us. We must have looked pretty forlorn, the two of us, and to gee us up he said he'd give us five shillings for every bucket we filled with weeds. Now that was an offer we couldn't refuse. By the time we were finished, we had filled six buckets, and, cheeky bugger that I was, I marched straight up to the Major's office. And when he asked what I wanted, I told him I was there to claim my thirty bob for the weeds. He nearly blew a bloody gasket! 'Get out of here!' he bellowed. 'You're already getting paid to do that work - don't ever let me see you up here again with your buckets.'
    "Yet beneath the gruff exterior, he was a kind man, as he demonstrated once when I met him. My shoes must have been a sight, for when he looked down at them, he asked me if they were the only pair I had. I nodded. The next morning, he summoned me to his office and handed me a pair of Irish brogues, the strongest, most beautiful shoes I'd ever seen. And I had them for years."
    Buckley left Leeds in April 1953, moving to Walsall, but left them in September 1955.
    Buckley died in Walsall in December 1964, aged 82.
    Honours
    Wolverhampton Wanderers
    FA Cup finalist: 1939
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Buckley_(footballer)
     
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  19. Craigo

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    Keeping with the influential manager theme:

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    Cliff Britton

    Personal information
    Full name Clifford Samuel Britton___Date of birth 29 August 1909___Place of birth Hanham, England Date of death 1 December 1975 (aged 66)____Place of death Anlaby, England
    Height 5 ft 10.5 in (1.79 m)_____Playing position Wing half

    Senior career
    In his early career Britton played for local clubs Hanham Athletic , Hanham VM and Bristol St. George
    1926&#8211;1930 Bristol Rovers - 50 appearances, 1 goal
    1930&#8211;1938 Everton &#8211; 221 apps. 2 goals

    National team
    1934&#8211;1937 England - 9 apps. 1 goal

    Teams managed
    1945&#8211;1948 Burnley
    1948&#8211;1956 Everton
    1956&#8211;1961 Preston North End
    1961&#8211;1969 Hull City

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    Playing Career
    Cliff Britton&#8217;s greatest years as a player came in an Everton shirt. He joined Everton from Bristol Rovers in 1930 after making just fifty appearances, he was deemed too frail at first and played his first season at the club in the reserves. He soon established himself in the first team and became one of the cultured wing halves of his day, who could produce superb short or long passes. Bringing a touch of class to the Everton side of the early thirties, he was one of the stars of the team that lifted the FA Cup in 1933. The season after the Cup win Britton was to win the first of his nine England caps.

    Hull City Manager
    In 1961 he became manager of Hull City. He relied on youth rather than the transfer market until an injection of cash in 1964 allowed him to bring in new players such as Ken Wagstaff. Consequently Hull eventually won the Third Division championship in the 1965/66 season. He continued to trust the same group of players instead of bringing in new talent and so Hull's challenge for promotion to the First Division faltered. Britton became general manager of the club in November 1969 but resigned from Hull City in 1970.

    And from Amber Nectar:
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    Profile:
    An impressive playing career with success at the very highest level provided the background and preparation for Britton's managerial ventures.

    His professional playing career began with Bristol Rovers and after making over 50 appearances for the 'Pirates' he moved to Everton where over 200 League appearances brought him club and international honours. As well as being a member of an impressive Everton half-back trio, his England appearances brought him together with Joe Mercer and Stan Cullis, both of whom would go on to achieve recognition for their managerial achievements.

    Britton would not be far behind them in terms of profile and achievement. If anything, he took the lead, for in his first managerial appointment, with Burnley in October 1945, he quickly steered them to promotion from Division 2 in season 46/47 and an appearance in the 1947 F.A. Cup final. On the strength of this pedigree he returned to Everton as their manager at a time when they were struggling. For two seasons he managed to keep them in the top flight but in the third his efforts proved unsuccessful and Everton were relegated to Division 2. Relying heavily on a policy of youth rather than big money buys; it took him three years to regain the club's membership of Division 1. During this time and indeed afterwards his tenure at Goodison Park was fraught with difficulties in his relationship with the Club's Directors. It centred on Britton's frugal approach to spending money in the transfer market and would lead, eventually, to his departure in rather acrimonious circumstances. After a six month sabbatical Britton joined Preston. In a five-year spell, the club flirted with winning the League championship and Britton laid the foundations of a solid youth policy. However when they were relegated in season 60/61 Britton resigned and it was Boothferry Park that was his next port of call.

    The desire for Division 1 football expressed by the Directors - and chairman Harold Needler in particular - had not materialised in the 15 years of their stewardship and Britton was seen as the answer to a protracted problem. Britton was methodical in his approach, relying on his tried and trusted methods of youth and solid defensive foundations. It was not the 'quick fix' approach that many had hoped for but it could hardly have come as a surprise for it was the way he worked and, in time, both Directors and Supporters recognised that it had some merit as the Tigers promotion push began to gain momentum. With the astute acquisition of Wagstaff, Houghton and Ian Butler to supplement earlier acquisitions he finally achieved the first steps towards Division 1 when the Club won the Division 3 championship in 1965/66. In taking the club this far Britton had displayed tremendous loyalty to his players and methodical planning in his approach to games.

    With the benefit of hindsight it was perhaps this loyalty that was to prove his undoing; for rather than strengthen the squad for one last push to breach the Division 1 barrier he preferred to rely on the group of individuals who had served him well thus far. His loyalty initially paid dividends for in the early stages of season 66/67 City blasted their way to the top of Division 2 with a string of high scoring victories. The early momentum could not be maintained however and injuries to key players saw the wheels start to wobble and eventually fall off, with the bandwagon ending up on the hard shoulder of mid-table and there it stayed for the remainder of the 60's. Whilst his record and length of service deservedly places him on the highest of plinths in the managerial Hall of Fame, a little more ruthlessness and adventure in bringing in new players to replace and supplement the old guard would have converted his stature to immortality.
     
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    Following a recent thread it was clear that the earliest beginnings of Hull City AFC were a bit vague to many fans (including myself) so after doing a bit of research this is what I&#8217;ve come up with:

    On the 4th of October 1879 twelve members of Hull Town Cricket Club met at the Crown and Cushion Hotel, No. 3 Land of Green Ginger, Hull.
    The main reason for the meeting was to discuss how they could occupy their leisure time in the winter months.

    Hull already had a strong Rugby Union representation (The Rugby League code had not yet been set up) but instead of considering this existing sport they decided &#8220;That a Football Club be formed in connection with the Hull Town Cricket Club under Association Rules.&#8221;

    It was further decided that membership should be restricted to Hull Town CC members only and that the management of the new club would be carried out by the sub-committee of HTCC.
    A membership subscription would cost half-a-crown (12.5p) and a set of rules were drawn up including a stipulation that; &#8220;The club colours shall be Amber and Black.&#8221;
    By the early 1880s HTFC had become a competitive and promising local football team, but unfortunately the club&#8217;s fortunes waned towards the end of the decade and in 1887 it was disbanded.

    This was to be the first of several failed attempts to form a professional football club in the city and within two years the team was re-established only to suffer what was thought to be its final demise by the end of 1889.

    However the dream of Association Football would not die out and this time it was Hull Kingston Rovers Rugby Union Club that took up the baton.
    Rovers had initially refused to join the popular new &#8216;League&#8217; competition that had been set up by Northern Union clubs in 1895 and for that reason they were unable to run a successful &#8216;A&#8217; team. So it was agreed that Hull KR RUFC would amalgamate with a local football team named Albany (The Comets) and on the 25th August, 1896 the new club became Hull Town Association Club.
    The football team was allowed to play on alternate Saturdays at Rover&#8217;s Craven Street ground and although their first fixture was a 2-1 defeat to Bradford on the 5th September, 1896 the team enjoyed success and reached the final of the East Riding Cup against Scarborough.

    Yet by the summer of 1898 the earlier enthusiasm had apparently worn off and again Hull Town was disbanded. The players and officials however seemed reluctant to abandon their links with the city and they continued to develop the sport locally. Some were also involved in the creation of an amateur club named Hull City that had an impressive single season existence playing at the Dairycoates ground.

    Despite all of the setbacks the determination of these pioneers of football in Hull was not diminished and their vision of a professional football club in the city began to near reality when the Annual General Meeting of the East Riding of Yorkshire Football Association was held in the Manchester Hotel on the 23rd June, 1904.
    As reported in the Hull Daily Mail the highly regarded President, Mr Alfred E. Spring said there was a strong possibility of there being &#8220;a &#8216;class&#8217; team in the city before the end of the next season.&#8221; and the initial start-up cost was estimated at £2500.to £3000.

    Discussions with the consortium looking to bring professional football to the city included Spring himself, John Bielby (the Association&#8217;s Treasurer) and Jack Fuller (the Hull Town secretary in 1896) and the creation of the Hull City Association Football Club Co. Ltd was officially announced on the 28th June, 1904. Listed amongst the club&#8217;s directors were; Alf Spring, Ben Crompton and Fred Levitt who had been involved with the Hull City amateur team and other clubs including the various models of Hull Town.

    An application was made for the club&#8217;s election to the Football League in time for the 1905 / 1906 season, as Hull City AFC began to recruit players from all over the country and assemble an impressive list of mostly friendly fixtures to be played from 1904 to 1905.

    The thorny problem of where the new team would play was resolved when the directors entered into an agreement with the chairman of Hull RLFC to share the Boulevard ground on alternate Saturdays for a planned period of three years.

    After a couple of introductory practise matches Hull City AFC was finally introduced to the public of Hull in a prestigious friendly match at the Boulevard on the 1st September 1904 against Notts. County (a good side and founder members of the Football League)
    The new boys gave a good account of themselves, sweeping into a 2-0 lead early in the second half, but the visitors responded well and at the end of the match the result was 2-2 in front of an estimated crowd of 6000 people.
    It had proved to be a successful baptism and more was to follow in that inaugural season. City scored over 100 goals in 46 matches and soon developed a reputation as an attacking team. Home attendances didn&#8217;t dip below four figures and following a suggestion by a Hull Daily Mail reporter named &#8216;Athleo&#8217; the nickname of the Tigers was warmly adopted by the fans.

    Now the campaign to gain election to the Football League went into over-drive and HCAFC announced that the club had purchased Hull Cricket Club which was to be developed into the Tiger&#8217;s long term home. Ambrose Langley the experienced and highly respected full back was signed from Sheffield Wednesday as player manager and under his guidance the club made a fair number of astute signings. These high-calibre players were not well known before coming to City, but their performances in Amber and Black soon made them household names.

    On the 29th of May 1905 at the Football League&#8217;s Annual General Meeting the applications for election were considered. Three places were available and HCAFC were up against seven other teams. The outcome of the vote must have been a huge disappointment for those representing the club as Hull City came fourth with 18 votes (only 2 less than Chelsea). However the next item on the committee&#8217;s agenda was to extend the league and this was subsequently passed.
    A second vote was therefore immediately taken and this time Hull City Association Football Club was officially elected to the Football League as a new member of the second division for the season commencing 1905 to 1906 and the rest is history.

    All information is taken from &#8216;A Century of City&#8217; written by Mike Peterson
     
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