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Thread for people who aren't deluded and know season is over

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Tiresias, Aug 22, 2022.

  1. RogerisontheHunt

    RogerisontheHunt Well-Known Member

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    Does this thread need moving back to the top?
     
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  2. Milk..

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    If current match ends 1-1 with over 1/8th of the season over we're on course to get 45.6 pts this season.

    Good news is that's 0.6pts more than the generally accepted safe from relegation score. So we probably won't be relegated this year.
     
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  3. InBiscanWeTrust

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    40 points is the general acceptance for staying up. But in recent years bottom teams been so **** that mid 30s been more than enough
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I reckon 35 is a pretty good shot at being enough.

    21/22 Burnley relegated on 35. leeds on 38.
    20/21 fulham relegated on 28. burnley were on 39
    19/20 Bournemouth relegated on 34 villa on 35
    18/19 Cardiff 34 brighton 36
    17/18 swansea 33 southampton 36.
    16/17 hull 34 watford 40
    15/16 newcastle 37 sunderland 39
    14/15 hull 35 villa 38
    13/14 norwich 33 west brom 36
    12/13 wigan 36 sunderland 39

    So in 4 of the last 5 years 35 was enough. only one team actually finished 17th on 35 but they had a margin in that case.

    Over 10 seasons 4 teams got relegated on 35 or more. coincidentally when guardiola arrived at city in 2016/17 and of course klopp's first season the totals for points at the top have increase and of course points at the bottom have gone down.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens in future but if we assume city get 95 points and the rest get nowhere near (mid 80s) then 35 might well be a good mark for the next season
     
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  5. Milk..

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    So 41 would be safe every year in that window and 40 with a good goal difference.

    I could be wrong, but this season to me looks a return to a more traditional season where 90 points will be enough to win the title and forth will not be so far behind first.
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    theres only one season since the league reduced to 38 teams where 40 points was not enough.

    west ham in 2002/03 were relegated on 42 points.

    39 points in all but 3 seasons would have been safe. (and those were up against 40 points)

    In this particular odd season sunderland got 19 points, west brom 26 but at the top utd won the title with only 83 points and 4th was 67 points.

    If we contrast this to todays type of elitist game two teams 90+ points, 4th was 71. 20th place still got 22 points.

    In short there's a bigger gap between the top teams and the bottom teams now. teams expect and need to beat all bottom 10 teams home and away to have a shot at top 4.

    On this season: city should win this by 15-20points. there's a fair chance nobody else will get over 80. A lot of odd results thus far however and a big big break where lesser sides can get a good rest by not having half a squad at this world cup min.

    Normally the slightly weaker squads struggle over Christmas and start to really struggle.

    this season the top sides are going to be flogged to death over the next 2 months then the players to to the desert and play and then come back and get flogged to catch up.

    the **** squads get to play once a week. dump the cups and have a huge break in the middle.

    The run in here will be HUGELY difficult for all sides bar city.
     
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  7. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Tbf mid 80s might be enough for city to win the league this year. But anyone else will need mid 90s cos city will get to 90
     
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  8. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    yes it probably will be as i have seen nothing yet form arsenal that they shouldn't be winning anyway. the real test is still 2 or 3 games away.

    City will still hit 95 imo.

    titles already done.

    top 4 is the race.

    3 cups to play for..... #seasonNOTover
     
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  9. Milk..

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    As long as Haaland stays fit City will probably get over 90. But he's notoriously fragile, so I wouldn't be surprised if they don't make it far north of 90.
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    13/15 so far so 112 is possible still.

    30-5-3- thats actually 95 points.

    thats 7 bad results for them out of the next 33 games.

    some of us are getting clsoe just in the first 5 games :)

    I gdo not think city are dependant on the lump. They are dependant on KDB and silva and the like supplying the lump. All the talk is how great haaland is but hes not making the chances. he's finishing them. they aint exactly solid at the back yet and that's the only think that's stopped a perfect record

    lets not kid ourselves. city are only getting going still.

    Given we've not got going and have badly struggled and fought to get 2 draws and a win in 3 of the 5 games it is kind of sad to think their struggle involved a couple bad spells where they let in a couple goals but then they goosed their opponents. 3-3 v newcastle though. at least we beat them.
     
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  11. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Even without him they still win majority of their games. Didn’t have him last year and hit mid 90s
     
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    jesus and sterling didn't actually score "that many" combined so with this lad in and alvarez they have easily covered the two that left.

    betting on city winning the title is like #printingmoney.
     
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  13. Milk..

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    They sold several big names too.
     
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  14. Darwinism

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    Probably going against the grain here but there are still 2 outstanding teams in the premiership City and us. Yes, they are playing well but will hit a rough patch sooner or later. We’ve still got players to come back and we should then reduce that gap.
     
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    Quite possible..........one positive is that Citeh have conceded 5 in 5 games...........going unnoticed atm.
     
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    The point is more that if there's no-one near them then they won't get as many points either. Having a challenger spurs them on. They got less points two seasons ago because we collapsed and they had no real rivals. Man utd were realistically never going to catch them.
     
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  17. wishiwasinliverpool

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    We are piss ****ing poor and in serious **** here. It's hard to see where the next goal or points are coming from. Very little creativity up front and when we do get a chance we **** it up. How the sod it's come to this I don't know but it has and it's not just about the injuries. It just won't happen for us this season. It's done
     
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  18. Zanjinho

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    So, we didn't win, who gets sacrificed... <whistle>
     
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  19. Tiresias

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    Poor creation in the team again, it is worrying where the goals are going to come from.Side to side passing resulting in the usual borefest.Only player with a bit of excitement is Diaz.Another game where Salah hardly featured... we're definitely done !
     
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  20. Tiresias

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    After today's performance..... yeah
     
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