Chelsea under Tuchel are very boring and defensive. In the three matches they won against Man City they had a total of 10 shots on target, scoring 4. They restricted City to 8 shots on target though of which they only scored one. Not sure Conte is going to be worse than that....
I wouldn't necessarily say its luck. You may say someone lands in a lucky team but unlike an F1 driver who needs a decent car, the F1 driver doesn't have direct input into the Car like a manager into his players. Of course you need both good players and a good manager but managers have far more input into how good their players are than a driver does on how good their car is (from purchasing, to training and relationships with players). As for Mourinho, managers get old like players. The way they manage, the relationships they have with players and tactics change over time. Just as Wenger got old in the tooth and lost his initial advantages that he pioneered (as people learnt and adapted to his methods), the same has happened to Mourinho.
Tuchel was the wrong choice for PSG. They want to be like Real Madrid, playing attacking football with Galacticos and winning. He's shown that he's got the last bit down, but he's very much defence first. You can argue that Werner should've scored a lot more goals, but there's a reason Jorginho was Chelsea's top scorer with 8 in all competitions. 7 of them were penalties, yet we still had 5 players score more than that. They didn't concede much, so they rarely lost.
I don't think that age did for Wenger. He lost David Dein, who signed so many of his most successful players and balanced their squad. It left Le Voyeur with too much to do outside of managing his players and their team gradually got worse because of it. You can still see that impact now, where their signings often don't make much sense and have little overall planning.
David Dein certainly had a big input into balancing his squad, helping him with targets and getting players in Wenger though, pioneered professionalism and staying healthy, good diet etc which inevitably gave his earlier sides a big advantage. Teams caught up with that. Arsenes main team had a good mix of technicals and braun. wenger was obsessed with trying to copy Barca which didnt work (players? methods?) Wengers teams also took teams by surprise with how good they were at counter attacking in the kick and rush era. When the likes of bolton started playing 10 men behind the ball and looking for draws and teams began copying them and playing hoofball, wenger couldn't adapt and overcome this all my opinion but to be honest my memories a bit hazy so this could all be confirmation bias lol
The problem with copying Barca is that you won't have Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. Not quite the same with Wilshere, Mkhitaryan and Iwobi.
Also you don't have the media bombardment Narrative of how moving to Arsenal will make somebody a legend, with the usual names making sure to chip in to say this is what will happen
That 08/09 team is probably the best I've seen in my life so far, ridiculous amount of talent and to think they'd just sold Ronaldinho and Zambrotta too... Crazy.
Wenger was also the pioneer of using lots of data including player positioning measures etc. That was a big edge for a few years but everyone has the equivalent now. I think that's probably also the reason why big target men are out of fashion....I suspect the data proves that crosses are very ineffective.
Depends on how often the attacks come. Watching an opponent chasing the ball in vain and then succumbing to a moment of being pulled out of position to allow the swift strike, is good football. Seeing the above only a few times per games is very boring.
You need very good technical and disciplined players for it to work effectively. It can be very repetitive to watch so god knows how players feel playing it. But ultimately if it wins you matches and trophies then people don’t seem to mind.
Wenger also had nous on the french-speaking player + Euro markets for a large part of his initial reign (which his PL rivals did not) . Once those rivals were similarly plugged into said markets and could outbid the Goons, nails slowly started getting hammered into his managerial coffin.
Prime Barca was IMHO the pinnacle of tika taka (even when discounting the genius of Messi) . The only time IMHO it was ever destroyed in grand plan and fine detail (ie no luck) was in the 2013 CL by the Munich machine.
I have watched Chelsea quite a bit since Tuchel took over and boring and defensive is not how I would describe them. OK against City you are often forced into being defensive but in the CL final Chelsea took the game to City. Overall Tuchel has produced a Chelsea team that is fast and attractive but also shows he is open minded tactically. IMO opinion they now have a squad that's their best for some time with a tactically astute manager.
Yes very skillful with huge talent no dispute, as a result they reduced football to something like basket ball. Very boring. Most exciting games come from two closely matched opponents, in all games it's always boring when you have one very dominant team/player. I am not going to the ballet, I want to see a contest not a series of clever moves.
Yes they can tinker with the car, to continue you with the analogy, but you cant turn a Reliant Robin into Mercedes. Like wise it's tough to expect say Scunthorpe to compete with Man City. Or even Sheffield United against Liverpool. As many of us say when Pep is hailed as the greatest. he'd have to do it at Notts Forest or Derby County if he want's that accolade. Remember what Bobby Robson did at Ipswich then you are talking class.
