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Thomas Frank & Johan Lange (& Fabio Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Your Preference For Ange’s Replacement

  1. Thomas Frank

  2. Andoni Iraola

  3. Simone Inzaghi

  4. Marco Silva

  5. Roberto Di Zerbi

  6. Other (state in comments)

  7. Oliver Glasner

  8. Xavi

  9. Mauricio Pochettino

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  1. Spurlock

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    At Tottenham, one challenge facing Postecoglou when he analyses his new squad will be deciding which players, including those seemingly cast out and returning from loans, are capable of playing the front-foot football he demands.

    Smith remembers being called out in his first training session for attempting a 60-yard diagonal pass.

    "He just pulled me up straight away and said 'Matt, we don't do that here. You look for combination passes, you look for short passes, you figure out and work out the problems'," explains the former defender.

    "We trained harder than we played for the bulk of the time. We were always playing out from the back, always finding angles and pockets and spaces, manipulating lines and working on three or four different segments of play.

    "He loves his teams to have the ball, so he is not a coach who is going to sit back and look to counter. He will be very aggressive on the front foot. That was a simultaneous demand, that whenever we lost it we would win it back high and quickly.

    "It was high-risk back then, but that was his ethos - never to get comfortable, never to assume that anybody is safe, and that really propelled the group."

    After a turbulent few years, Spurs have also appointed someone who, in his own words, understands the "privilege" of managing a top club.

    "I understand what an honest day's work is about," Postecoglou, who left the military junta regime in Greece at the age of five and relocated to Melbourne with parents, said after taking the Celtic job.

    "I don't feel like I am working every day, I feel like I am living a dream that was founded by other people's sacrifice, particularly my parents."
     
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  2. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    The Pathetic are claiming that Paratici never wanted Poch, with his shortlist consisting of Luis Enrique, Ruben Amorim, Oliver Glasner and Sergio Conceicao

    What's that? People with UKIP colours in their Twitter bio who seem awfully casual about using antisemitic dogwhistles have been ranting about Donna Cullen from a position of complete ignorance? How unexpected...
     
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  3. The RDBD

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    Then by my thesis you contend that the guy has
    inherited a squad that has lower collective
    ability/mindset than was the case for BMJ/Arry/Pochettino.
     
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  4. PowerSpurs

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    This guy sounds like a proper coach....
     
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  5. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    I know nothing about him apart from what I've seen on here.

    As far as I see things, he has to be supported even if we get off to a poor start.

    Pochettino's first season didn't get going until late December.

    It will be good to get to the end of a season with the same manager that started it...last time that happened was 2018-19 <yikes>
     
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  6. Citizen Kane.

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    I contend exactly what I said: there are clear parallels with the squad Poch inherited. The only clear difference imo is Kane and the possibility of Son returning to form. Otherwise it's much of a muchness. A sprinkling of genuinely good players (Lloris, Dembele, Jan and Eriksen compared to now with Romero, Bentancur, Kane and Son), and a cohort of promising youngsters who need the right coaching (Kane, Townsend, Mason, Bentaleb and Dier then, compared to Kulusevski, Sarr, Skipp, Udogie, Spence and Gil now).

    The squad Harry inherited was much, much better than its performances and league position suggested. Same to a lesser extent for BMJ. Poch inherited a squad that despite upheaval stayed in the top 6 which was probably a step better than it was capable of on paper. Ange also inherits a squad that isn't a million miles away in reality from where it is on paper.
     
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  7. The RDBD

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    In which case I am expecting the pattern to repeat,
    if the new guy has a philosophy akin to
    BMJ/Arry/Pochettino.
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

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    Dan KP reports that Ryan Mason is going to be offered a role in Ange's coaching staff, although he is meeting with Levy to discuss his future

    Be our Nagelsmann, Ryan!
     
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  9. Citizen Kane.

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    I'm not sure, and I really cannot emphasise enough that we're extremely optimistic to expect progress to be as quick as it was under the other managers you've mentioned. The league is a totally different beast today, even compared to what it was just 8 years ago when Poch took over from Gilet.

    Internally, due to the new stadium, prolonged period without trophies, dire football and highest ticket prices in the country, expectations are much higher and therefore fan patience will be much lower than it was in 2014. This is both understandable and justified and the only sensible recourse for the Club to mitigate this would have been to freeze ST prices, which they did, and lower OH Membership prices (which they didn't - in fact they raised them).

    Externally, the landscape has changed. Back then, Newcastle and Brighton were irrelevant. Brentford weren't in the PL. Nor were Pep or Klopp. United were a disjointed mess. Arsenal were tearing themselves apart in the Wenger civil war. The path to progress was therefore far clearer of obstacles, which is precisely how we finished 5th with fewer points than it took to get 6th the previous season, followed by a mirage of a "title challenge" apparently mounted with a rolling points average and final total that traditionally struggles to even make the top 4. Our early progress under Poch was meteoric but cracks didn't need to be papered over in a rush because there was very little internal pressure to succeed and very few external obstacles blocking that success.

    That has changed drastically. The board has given Ange a four year contract. That, to my mind, is the minimum time we need to break into the top 4 in a serious and sustainable way again, especially if Kane leaves. If he doesn't, we might do it in 2 or 3 years. The other possibility of a 'fast pass' is if one or more of the youngsters develops rapidly into one of the best in the league in their position. Perhaps Udogie or Sarr have the potential to do this.

    So both the board and fans need to sit down and strap in for the long haul. This isn't a quick fix. This is unravelling 4 entire years of insane decisions.
     
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  10. LockStock

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  11. Spurf

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    If he paused to take a breath it might be more listenable.
     
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  12. humanbeingincroydon

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    He does

    The issue is that they've constructed the video like any Youtube top ten list where the script is broken down into short lines which they record one at a time, then splice them together (in this case it honestly sounds like they're doing that in the middle of some lines) - but the issue is they missed the point you're supposed to do a few takes per line so the tone of voice and flow of speech changes so when you splice them together it sounds more natural, instead all the takes are the same tone and flow so, when spliced together, it almost sounds like AI generated speech
     
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  13. Spurf

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    Which was my point. I won't be listening to such a crap presentation.
     
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  14. humanbeingincroydon

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    My immediate thought is that it's probably some Musk bullshit

    If you pay him to use a free platform every month, initially you were able to post ten minute videos but that changed to any length you like, which saw an explosion of copyright-violating posts of whole films, especially when it was worked out that posting something like 12 of those per week would actively cost Exlax money in hosting charges even before the copyright suits came in - but that also suggests that if you're not paying to use a free platform, videos are locked to a certain length, and I have to say I can't recall seeing many videos longer than four minutes in a while

    That being said, the guy should've just posted the video to Youtube and linked that video on Twitter, because while the video may have only been 30-45 seconds longer, the dialogue clips wouldn't crash into one another
     
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  15. remembercolinlee

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    I lasted 30 seconds <laugh>
     
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  16. Spurf

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    When I buy a book I find the content is more important than the number of words. Same with a video, just say less.
     
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  17. humanbeingincroydon

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    Total tangent here, but the thing with publishers is they tend to enforce the minimum number of words and/or pages

    For example, a short story not only has a maximum number of words but also a hard minimum, and I've definitely read a few that were trying to push their way past the minimum in order to get published. Similarly novellas tend to be set at 20,000 to 25,000 words, but when it comes to American publishers the issue is definitely weighted more towards pages, hence the hell hat is The Great American Novel where books are just too f'n long because they're supposed to be long, when in reality they can easily shed 50+ pages easily, for example The Da Vinci Code is damn near 500 pages long, and bloody hell could that do with some trimming. Or just chuck the whole thing in a tree shredder, whatever...

    Anyway, videos: I think the issue with that one in particular is they're trying to get a TiFo Football's worth of content into a sub-four minute vid, when TiFo Football vids tend to be 6-8 minutes - and also not turn into FBRef infographics for a chunk of their runtime, so that segment on potential signings could have been either heavily cut down of excised entirely
     
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  18. Tilly'sowner

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    And books have full stops where we can pause for breath.
     
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  19. Spurlock

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    I got to the end

    was a good listen

    basically he says

    Don’t **** it up Levy
     
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  20. Alfie Conn

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    My sentiment as well
     
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